In response to the I hate american cars thread Ive owned 6 new cars in my life and 3 of the worst experiences have been with Toyota's. Each one had an annoying problem that dimished my ownership experience - one a clutch that engaged too early and could never be adjusted properly, second a engine vibration and third a transmission that never shifted out of second until a high rev - its possible that the last two items were design issues and not a defect . The other 3 cars have all given me very satisfactory ownership and repair experience - a Honda Prelude, a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Mercedes E Class. I steered someone to a Honda CRV versus a RAV 4 based on my experience and frankly there's a lot of good choices out there - toyota doesnt have a lock on reliability and their cars are BORING. I do understand that millions of people are satiisfied with their 'yotas but i don't get the attraction except perhaps for their pickup trucks.