Todd Schnell
Second Unit
- Joined
- May 21, 2001
- Messages
- 255
I am trying to look at this from every angle possible.
Counting on the great people here to give their opinions.
I don't claim to be an audiophile, but an audio enthusiast.
I love music, play guitar, & have been in several bands.
I want musical nirvana.
I have about 5k to spend.
Prefer smaller towers.
I have done multiple searches here on speakers , & have done lots of reading.
I am kicking around numerous questions.
Do I put that 5k into my mains, keeping my center & surrounds?
Or perhaps into my mains & center? More likely.
Add external amp to drive mains or front 3 is also something I will consider.
Start over with my electronics if I really have too?
I mentioned to one audiophile dealer that I ran a Denon 5803, & he said "what is that"? lol yea ok, some audiophiles
can really be prudes.
My current system:
Denon 5803 receiver (no I did not pay near list price)
Sony C555ES cd player/transport
Speakers
Definitive Technology
Mains - BP 2004TL
Center - CLR 2002
Surrounds - BP 2X
Mits 55" HD TV
This set up actually sounds pretty sweet!
My room is about 14x35, set up on the short wall which opens on the left side of the front wall into a dining/kitchen room area.
I'm 50/50 HT music, but looking to improve 2 channel music mainly.
The recent upgrade from my older model Sony 200 cd Jukebox to the Sony C555ES made a huge impact already, & looking to take my speakers to the next level too.
Most of the music I listen to is heavy.
Prog-rock/metal, & jazz/fusion are my favorite genres.
Some classical as well.
I brought my own cds with me.
Among other title, my main listening disc was Porcupine Tree/In Absentia.
This is kind of Pink Floyd like (a lot less on this one compared to their older stuff) with a modern heavy edge.
Excellent sounding production on this cd.
I really wanted to hear the B&W N804, & N803s, as these are generally highly regarded, & in my budget,
but the now only B&W dealer in the entire New Orleans area only stocks the following listed in my audition.
I auditioned so far in strictly 2 channel music.
B&W CM & CDM NT
with the Pioneer Elite 49 tx receiver, & I believe a Pioneer Elite DVD player.
Bloated bass, & grating treble.
Not impressed, preferred my current sound & it wasn't even close.
Made me wonder if things were set up right here? or a bad match?
B&W Nautilus 805
with complete Musical Fidelity set up
Much better, though they need a sub.
Still not making me want to upgrade from what I have.
price 2k
B&W Nautilus 802
with Krell Shocase gear, & Marantz 1251 SACD I believe.
This was a step up no doubt, but the way I understand it is B&W & Krell just don't work well together.
The highs were on the bright side for me, nice deep base though.
Soundstage was very good, but not huge.
Not the sound I was looking for.
Out of my budget.
price 8k I believe.
Martin Logan Odyssey
with B&K reference 50, 2 & 3 channel B&K ref amps, & Marantz SACD 8260
Very sweet, lush, full sound.
I heard these before & still find them very nice.
Out of my budget.
price 6.5k
Martin Logan Ascents
with B&K 507 receiver, Pioneer DV45A
These were impressive, & the B&K drove them very nicely.
Martin Logan are very classy looking speakers imo, & the wife liked them as well.
I do worry about setting these up though.
May not work well in my room with the front wall opening up on one side?
Possible in budget by going with these & center while keeping current surrounds.
price 4k
Still neither me or my wife thought any of these systems really blew our current set-up away.
Until...
I didn't have much time at this point, but quickly drove to a different very high end dealer who used to handle B&W in hope to hear the N803s & N804s.
Well he is no longer a B&W dealer, but instead now a JM Lab dealer.
I walked in the show room & the JM Lab Electra 926s were playing.
The cd playing was "Jesse Cook/Vertigo" which is very similar to Al Di Meola, guitar driven latin flavored jazz fusion, mostly instrumental.
My jaw hit the floor!
This was the only set up I heard this day that truly put my jaw on the floor!
The music was awesome too, so that helped.
Very clean, articulate, & punchy.
This is the sound I am looking for.
The sales rep I dealt with claimed to be an audiophile, & told me he sold his B&W N804s & moved to these.
Price 4k
Ok possible in budget.
However the electronics were way in the back corner, & I could not get all the details, but I found out this much.
Amp Class 926 = 5k
pre ? = 5k
cd ? = 15k
cables ? = 5k
Jeez how would these sound with normal gear?
Any opinions here?
Possible to run with Denon 5803?
Also JM Lab is running a special right now on their Cobalt line, at least at this dealer.
Cobalt 816 mains
Cobalt SR 800 surrounds
Cobalt CC 800 center
Cobalt SW 800 sub
Regular price $4200
Sale price $3200
I didn't have time to demo these, but I will return to do so, as well as check out as many more speakers as possible.
The dealer insist these are not that much of a drop off from the Electra 926s (which I find hard to believe), & that they would be a better match for my receiver, & room size.
He in fact stated these are the ones that sold them on the JM Lab line.
Anyone have a experienced opinion on these?
I looking to get as many different points of view on all this as possible.
I want speakers that are going to truly be a step up from what I have, that I intend to live with for a very long time.
I would love to hear Triangle, Sonus Faber, etc lines.
I am going to check every local hi-fi store & demo every line of speakers I can.
I would still love to hear the B&W N804s.
Anyone in the New Orleans area have these that would be willing to give me an audition?
Thanks for all opinions here.
Todd
Counting on the great people here to give their opinions.
I don't claim to be an audiophile, but an audio enthusiast.
I love music, play guitar, & have been in several bands.
I want musical nirvana.
I have about 5k to spend.
Prefer smaller towers.
I have done multiple searches here on speakers , & have done lots of reading.
I am kicking around numerous questions.
Do I put that 5k into my mains, keeping my center & surrounds?
Or perhaps into my mains & center? More likely.
Add external amp to drive mains or front 3 is also something I will consider.
Start over with my electronics if I really have too?
I mentioned to one audiophile dealer that I ran a Denon 5803, & he said "what is that"? lol yea ok, some audiophiles
can really be prudes.
My current system:
Denon 5803 receiver (no I did not pay near list price)
Sony C555ES cd player/transport
Speakers
Definitive Technology
Mains - BP 2004TL
Center - CLR 2002
Surrounds - BP 2X
Mits 55" HD TV
This set up actually sounds pretty sweet!
My room is about 14x35, set up on the short wall which opens on the left side of the front wall into a dining/kitchen room area.
I'm 50/50 HT music, but looking to improve 2 channel music mainly.
The recent upgrade from my older model Sony 200 cd Jukebox to the Sony C555ES made a huge impact already, & looking to take my speakers to the next level too.
Most of the music I listen to is heavy.
Prog-rock/metal, & jazz/fusion are my favorite genres.
Some classical as well.
I brought my own cds with me.
Among other title, my main listening disc was Porcupine Tree/In Absentia.
This is kind of Pink Floyd like (a lot less on this one compared to their older stuff) with a modern heavy edge.
Excellent sounding production on this cd.
I really wanted to hear the B&W N804, & N803s, as these are generally highly regarded, & in my budget,
but the now only B&W dealer in the entire New Orleans area only stocks the following listed in my audition.
I auditioned so far in strictly 2 channel music.
B&W CM & CDM NT
with the Pioneer Elite 49 tx receiver, & I believe a Pioneer Elite DVD player.
Bloated bass, & grating treble.
Not impressed, preferred my current sound & it wasn't even close.
Made me wonder if things were set up right here? or a bad match?
B&W Nautilus 805
with complete Musical Fidelity set up
Much better, though they need a sub.
Still not making me want to upgrade from what I have.
price 2k
B&W Nautilus 802
with Krell Shocase gear, & Marantz 1251 SACD I believe.
This was a step up no doubt, but the way I understand it is B&W & Krell just don't work well together.
The highs were on the bright side for me, nice deep base though.
Soundstage was very good, but not huge.
Not the sound I was looking for.
Out of my budget.
price 8k I believe.
Martin Logan Odyssey
with B&K reference 50, 2 & 3 channel B&K ref amps, & Marantz SACD 8260
Very sweet, lush, full sound.
I heard these before & still find them very nice.
Out of my budget.
price 6.5k
Martin Logan Ascents
with B&K 507 receiver, Pioneer DV45A
These were impressive, & the B&K drove them very nicely.
Martin Logan are very classy looking speakers imo, & the wife liked them as well.
I do worry about setting these up though.
May not work well in my room with the front wall opening up on one side?
Possible in budget by going with these & center while keeping current surrounds.
price 4k
Still neither me or my wife thought any of these systems really blew our current set-up away.
Until...
I didn't have much time at this point, but quickly drove to a different very high end dealer who used to handle B&W in hope to hear the N803s & N804s.
Well he is no longer a B&W dealer, but instead now a JM Lab dealer.
I walked in the show room & the JM Lab Electra 926s were playing.
The cd playing was "Jesse Cook/Vertigo" which is very similar to Al Di Meola, guitar driven latin flavored jazz fusion, mostly instrumental.
My jaw hit the floor!
This was the only set up I heard this day that truly put my jaw on the floor!
The music was awesome too, so that helped.
Very clean, articulate, & punchy.
This is the sound I am looking for.
The sales rep I dealt with claimed to be an audiophile, & told me he sold his B&W N804s & moved to these.
Price 4k
Ok possible in budget.
However the electronics were way in the back corner, & I could not get all the details, but I found out this much.
Amp Class 926 = 5k
pre ? = 5k
cd ? = 15k
cables ? = 5k
Jeez how would these sound with normal gear?
Any opinions here?
Possible to run with Denon 5803?
Also JM Lab is running a special right now on their Cobalt line, at least at this dealer.
Cobalt 816 mains
Cobalt SR 800 surrounds
Cobalt CC 800 center
Cobalt SW 800 sub
Regular price $4200
Sale price $3200
I didn't have time to demo these, but I will return to do so, as well as check out as many more speakers as possible.
The dealer insist these are not that much of a drop off from the Electra 926s (which I find hard to believe), & that they would be a better match for my receiver, & room size.
He in fact stated these are the ones that sold them on the JM Lab line.
Anyone have a experienced opinion on these?
I looking to get as many different points of view on all this as possible.
I want speakers that are going to truly be a step up from what I have, that I intend to live with for a very long time.
I would love to hear Triangle, Sonus Faber, etc lines.
I am going to check every local hi-fi store & demo every line of speakers I can.
I would still love to hear the B&W N804s.
Anyone in the New Orleans area have these that would be willing to give me an audition?
Thanks for all opinions here.
Todd