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#1 of 346 Sam Posten

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Posted May 05 2011 - 02:29 AM

When you REALLY need everyone to update fast, you can't.


http://techcrunch.co...android-update/


(Didn't see a better place to put this so had to start a new thread, sorry).


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Posted June 28 2011 - 03:09 AM

Fragmented or not, this is impressive. http://thenextweb.co...ices-every-day/

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Posted June 28 2011 - 03:13 AM

And then there is this prediction:

asymco Horace Dediu My estimate is iOS will increase user base by 200 million in next 12 months reaching at least 400 million.


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Posted June 28 2011 - 07:02 AM

Asymco, huh?


How much of this article from 8/10 sounds like little more than mental masturbation now?


http://www.asymco.co...biggest-losers/



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Posted June 28 2011 - 09:20 AM

How so? If anything the slice of the profits Apple is scapping up now is -higher-, no? Will any of those vendors be happy if/once HP has a serious contender in their OS? http://www.fastcompa...pad-ios-android

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Posted June 28 2011 - 09:45 AM

Mark this day:   I will eat a straw hat the day HP's tablet challenges anyone for anything by means of market adoption.. so the day it cracks say, 10%.. I'll eat my hat... hell, if it cracks 2% it'd be stunning.

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How so? If anything the slice of the profits Apple is scapping up now is -higher-, no?

Will any of those vendors be happy if/once HP has a serious contender in their OS?
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Posted June 28 2011 - 10:28 AM

I've got no horse in the race, all I want is more contenders pushing the state of the art forward Matt. And HP at least seems to want to at least take a stab at user experience and interface as a competitive advantage (as does Microsoft, surprisingly it seems) where Android doesn't seem to. And for HP and MS they win when their OS is used in their devices. For all the Android manufacturers they don't win when anyone buys android and they only get a pittance when someone buys THEIRS. Google is the only winner there.

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Posted June 28 2011 - 10:30 AM

I get that.   I've said repeatedly that I find the android experience kind of a mess.   The problem is, for as much flack as people get, HP doesn't get enough.. their handling of WebOS has been terrible.   They would have to pull a crazy miracle out of their pocket to make me take them seriously from a support standpoint.

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I've got no horse in the race, all I want is more contenders pushing the state of the art forward Matt. And HP at least seems to want to at least take a stab at user experience and interface as a competitive advantage (as does Microsoft, surprisingly it seems) where Android doesn't seem to.

And for HP and MS they win when their OS is used in their devices. For all the Android manufacturers they don't win when anyone buys android and they only get a pittance when someone buys THEIRS. Google is the only winner there.





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Posted June 30 2011 - 12:53 AM

Sounds like the HP tablet isn't all that great... http://www.engadget....ouchpad-review/ http://thisismynext....ouchpad-review/ http://allthingsd.co...-to-rival-ipad/

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Posted June 30 2011 - 02:36 AM

MORE of this please! http://googleblog.bl...experience.html Sounds like Google has made Andy http://www.folklore.org/index.py / "I invented the UI of the Mac, have you heard of me" Herzfeld as the experience Czar on the Google+ effort, and other than outright stealing Facebook's design on a few things it's getting positive response...

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Posted July 14 2011 - 12:39 AM

Looks like even the differentiators aren't helping.... http://techcrunch.co...ead-on-arrival/

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Posted July 29 2011 - 03:06 AM

30-40% return rates sounds trollish, but if it's half of that it's pretty astounding: http://techcrunch.co...turns-are-30-40

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Posted July 30 2011 - 11:43 AM

Unnamed "sources" don't impress me with this sort of thing. He'd have to show actual hard data. There's also zero distinction made between manufacturing defects, wanting to upgrade, etc. and dissatisfaction with Android per se.

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Posted August 04 2011 - 08:09 AM

Heh.

splatf SplatF Just to reiterate, Apple sold more year-old iPhones last qtr. than any other company sold brand-new smartphones: http://bit.ly/rqojF0 $AAPL


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Posted January 10 2012 - 01:40 AM

I think this really captures well what I feel about Android now. http://parislemon.co...-i-hate-android

All of the carriers laughed in Google’s face when presented with the ambitious Nexus One plan. And given that Google had just signed the all-important deal with Verizon, it was never going to happen. So instead, at the Nexus One launch we got a website where you could indeed buy an unlocked Android phone — for $529. Nonstarter. Better yet, while they said they were committed at the time, Verizon and Sprint never even got around to supporting the Nexus One at all. That’s how much they were behind the project. To complicate matters further, behind the scenes, Verizon and Google were arguing over Net Neutrality rules. Verizon was opposed, Google was in favor. Then a funny thing happened. Google started supporting Verizon’s viewpoint on the matter! If you’re looking for the first post where I’m really, truly, pissed off at Google, look no further. It. Was. Total. Fucking. Bullshit.

My take is it's an OS sold by hypocrites, heartily endorsed by greedy carriers, sold to an uneducated public and is being transmogrified by a million different players into their own individual walled gardens.

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Posted January 10 2012 - 02:21 AM

I've already pretty well committed.   The Nokia 900 is going to be the next phone I carry. (outside of my 4S, which is my work-assigned phone)


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Posted January 10 2012 - 02:53 AM

Well the Microsoft alternative may be a more elegant solution but it doesn't 'solve' any of the heartburn I have with the direction Android took. It may seem like I've always been at war with Eurasia, er Android, but that's not true at all. I was all for Android when it was supposed to be a real alternative to the Walled Garden Approach. But that's not how it played out and that's why it's so disappointing. I WANT an open alternative to Apple to keep Apple honest. Instead:

Android was built on a foundation of good intentions. The platform was supposed to usher in a new mobile era where the power was given to the user to make their device their own. No walled gardens, no censorship, no limits. Supporters of the platform heralded its “openness,” deriding Apple and others for their top-town controlled approach. It sounded too good to be true, and it pretty much was. Carriers balked at giving up that control and quickly Android became just as tightly controlled as iOS or any other mobile platform. And this is directly a result of Google’s business decisions in the company’s quest for Android market domination.

http://technologizer...id-open-or-not/

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Posted January 11 2012 - 01:24 AM

Word.

This all boils down to the fact that the technology market is no longer dominated by technology lovers. Google, Samsung, ASUS, Acer, Toshiba, and others like them need to stop acting like the PC clone makers of the 1980s and 90s, and thinking as if they’re building computers for the technically-inclined. The market is a lot bigger than that today and it’s now dominated by people who couldn’t care less about a gigahertz or a megapixel.

http://www.techrepub...l-missing/10044 DUH:

LAS VEGAS—Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt on Tuesday took issue with the idea that the Android mobile operating system is fragmented, arguing that there is instead a "differentiation" between devices. "Differentiation is positive, fragmentation is negative,"

http://www.pcmag.com...,2398743,00.asp

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Posted January 11 2012 - 01:46 AM

I WANT an open alternative to Apple to keep Apple honest.

I read that as "I want Android around to force my preferred platform to be better". I, on the other hand, am glad there's an alternative to the Iphone because it gives me the flexibility, pricing, and no contract options Apple isn't interested in. It's irrelevant to me how "honest" that makes Apple, since it's obvious to me they were never going to meet my needs.

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Posted January 11 2012 - 07:38 AM

Grrr, stupid crappy Huddler ate my long post. But I'll try to recap: Let me expand on that. I want an open solution to keep ALL the walled gardens honest. Whether those are Apple's, Facebook's, Microsoft's Amazons, or errrr, Google's I don't care. Google stood up and said they were going to make a customer focused open garden. They pussed out and caved to the carriers in exchange for marketshare which they get VERY low returns on. Great, you get zero percent return on a multi-billion dolllar business you built from scratch based on lies. Where's your crown king nothing?

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