The downside to fragmentation

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  1. Sam Posten

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    When you REALLY need everyone to update fast, you can't.

    http://techcrunch.com/2011/05/04/iphone-location-update-android-update/

    (Didn't see a better place to put this so had to start a new thread, sorry).
     
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    Fragmented or not, this is impressive.
    http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/06/28/google-now-activates-500000-android-devices-every-day/
     
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    And then there is this prediction:
     
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    How so? If anything the slice of the profits Apple is scapping up now is -higher-, no?
    Will any of those vendors be happy if/once HP has a serious contender in their OS?
    http://www.fastcompany.com/1762959/hp-touchpad-webos-ipad-ios-android
     
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    Mark this day: I will eat a straw hat the day HP's tablet challenges anyone for anything by means of market adoption.. so the day it cracks say, 10%.. I'll eat my hat... hell, if it cracks 2% it'd be stunning.



     
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    I've got no horse in the race, all I want is more contenders pushing the state of the art forward Matt. And HP at least seems to want to at least take a stab at user experience and interface as a competitive advantage (as does Microsoft, surprisingly it seems) where Android doesn't seem to.
    And for HP and MS they win when their OS is used in their devices. For all the Android manufacturers they don't win when anyone buys android and they only get a pittance when someone buys THEIRS. Google is the only winner there.
     
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    I get that. I've said repeatedly that I find the android experience kind of a mess. The problem is, for as much flack as people get, HP doesn't get enough.. their handling of WebOS has been terrible. They would have to pull a crazy miracle out of their pocket to make me take them seriously from a support standpoint.



     
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    Sounds like the HP tablet isn't all that great...
    http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/29/hp-touchpad-review/
    http://thisismynext.com/2011/06/29/hp-touchpad-review/
    http://allthingsd.com/20110629/touchpad-needs-more-apps-reboot-to-rival-ipad/
     
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    MORE of this please!
    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/06/evolving-google-design-and-experience.html
    Sounds like Google has made Andy http://www.folklore.org/index.py / "I invented the UI of the Mac, have you heard of me" Herzfeld as the experience Czar on the Google+ effort, and other than outright stealing Facebook's design on a few things it's getting positive response...
     
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    Looks like even the differentiators aren't helping....
    http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/13/alternative-tablets-the-next-big-thing-or-dead-on-arrival/
     
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    30-40% return rates sounds trollish, but if it's half of that it's pretty astounding:
    http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/26/androids-dirty-secret-shipping-numbers-are-strong-but-returns-are-30-40
     
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    Unnamed "sources" don't impress me with this sort of thing. He'd have to show actual hard data. There's also zero distinction made between manufacturing defects, wanting to upgrade, etc. and dissatisfaction with Android per se.
     
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    Heh.
     
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    I think this really captures well what I feel about Android now.
    http://parislemon.com/post/15604811641/why-i-hate-android
    My take is it's an OS sold by hypocrites, heartily endorsed by greedy carriers, sold to an uneducated public and is being transmogrified by a million different players into their own individual walled gardens.
     
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    I've already pretty well committed. The Nokia 900 is going to be the next phone I carry. (outside of my 4S, which is my work-assigned phone)
     
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    Well the Microsoft alternative may be a more elegant solution but it doesn't 'solve' any of the heartburn I have with the direction Android took.
    It may seem like I've always been at war with Eurasia, er Android, but that's not true at all. I was all for Android when it was supposed to be a real alternative to the Walled Garden Approach. But that's not how it played out and that's why it's so disappointing. I WANT an open alternative to Apple to keep Apple honest. Instead:
    http://technologizer.com/2012/01/10/which-is-it-google-is-android-open-or-not/
     
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    Word.
    http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/hiner/tablets-what-amazon-and-apple-know-that-all-the-ces-tablet-peddlers-are-still-missing/10044
    DUH:
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2398743,00.asp
     
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    I read that as "I want Android around to force my preferred platform to be better". I, on the other hand, am glad there's an alternative to the Iphone because it gives me the flexibility, pricing, and no contract options Apple isn't interested in. It's irrelevant to me how "honest" that makes Apple, since it's obvious to me they were never going to meet my needs.
     
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    Grrr, stupid crappy Huddler ate my long post.
    But I'll try to recap: Let me expand on that. I want an open solution to keep ALL the walled gardens honest. Whether those are Apple's, Facebook's, Microsoft's Amazons, or errrr, Google's I don't care.
    Google stood up and said they were going to make a customer focused open garden. They pussed out and caved to the carriers in exchange for marketshare which they get VERY low returns on.
    Great, you get zero percent return on a multi-billion dolllar business you built from scratch based on lies. Where's your crown king nothing?
     

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