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'Live Free or Die Hard' Not Unrated on Blu-ray


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#1 of 53 John Kwong

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Posted September 05 2007 - 05:32 PM

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Fox issued a standalone press release for 'Live Free or Die Hard' today that dropped a bombshell. The two-disc and single disc widescreen DVD versions of 'Live Free or Die Hard' will be blessed with the unrated cut. The Blu-ray version, however, is stuck with the PG-13 cut.

http://dvd.themanroo...ew.php?id=00702

Did anyone else read anything about this?

#2 of 53 Brandon Conway

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Posted September 05 2007 - 08:07 PM

I saw the news earlier today.

It's a mild disappointment. The PG-13 theatrical cut was something I was more than ready to purchase. It'll be interesting to see what the differences in the Unrated version are. My guess is that this is about 95% marketing gimmick and 5% director's intent.

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#3 of 53 Jim_K

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Posted September 05 2007 - 10:58 PM

This is annoying to the point where I might just rent this instead. Really, we're paying premium prices for these HD formats and to get shortchanged with content compared to the DVD version doesn't make any sense. The majority of extras I can live without but having multiple versions via seemless branching is a big selling point for me.

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#4 of 53 Shawn.F

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Posted September 05 2007 - 11:07 PM

Eh, I'll just rent the unrated on SD and see if there is a major difference between that and the theatrical cut. We've all been burned by so-called 'Unrated' cuts before, this one might be no exception.

That said, this is a perplexing move by Fox Home Video. I would love to hear the reason behind this.

#5 of 53 Paul Arnette

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Posted September 06 2007 - 01:50 AM

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This is annoying to the point where I might just rent this instead.

Since I haven't seen this film yet anyway, this is exactly what I plan to do. I'm still debating whether or not I want to spring for the Die Hard Trilogy box set and take the time to sell 2 and 3 individual.
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#6 of 53 BrettB

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Posted September 06 2007 - 03:01 AM

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My guess is that this is about 95% marketing gimmick and 5% director's intent.

The whole 'unrated on home video' phenomenon of late is incredibly lame. That said, it should be on the BD. Obviously a double-dip situation. Which is also lame.

#7 of 53 WillG

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Posted September 06 2007 - 03:35 AM

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That said, this is a perplexing move by Fox Home Video. I would love to hear the reason behind this.

The only thing I can think of is that they want to try to get you to buy this on both BD and DVD. That may sound a bit conspiracy theorist, but is it much different that the one disc version of a film for R1 and two discs for other regions only for a double dip of the two disc months later strategy that Fox likes to use. Not to mention all the other studio double dips.

I don't know. I wanted to get this on BD, but why should I if they are only going to have the PG-13 available which no one really wanted for a Die Hard film anyway?
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Posted September 06 2007 - 03:42 AM

One cannot understand the logic with this decision. That said, I enjoyed the theatrical version and will purchase that and will not double dip on any future releases of this title. What they should have done is provide both versions on the same disks and make use of the technology that has been available for some time.
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Posted September 06 2007 - 04:24 AM

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One cannot understand the logic with this decision. That said, I enjoyed the theatrical version and will purchase that and will not double dip on any future releases of this title. What they should have done is provide both versions on the same disks and make use of the technology that has been available for some time.
Yep, it was the version I've enjoyed in the movie theater and I'm not going to repurchase a longer version down the road just to hear a couple of curse words or to see a little more blood.




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#10 of 53 Chuck West

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Posted September 06 2007 - 04:47 AM

I'm not double dipping.

I'll wait for the unrated BD release.

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Posted September 06 2007 - 06:31 AM

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Yep, it was the version I've enjoyed in the movie theater and I'm not going to repurchase a longer version down the road just to hear a couple of curse words or to see a little more blood.




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I'm with you if they tried to add curse words and blood.
But, in this case, they removed them to get a certain rating.
I want to buy the originally intended version, not some studio mandated cut.

This is a no buy for me.

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Posted September 06 2007 - 07:14 AM

I'm probably in the minority here, but I'm glad it is the pg-13 theatrical version. I actually appreciate there being less cursing and I enjoyed the film in the theaters.

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Posted September 06 2007 - 07:33 AM

Pitiful decision by Fox. There's more than enough space to put both cuts on the Blu-Ray version, but they're simply choosing not to so they can "double dip" on this title in a few months. Instead of a potential Blu-Ray purchase they'll get an Unrated DVD rental from me and that's it. Posted Image
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#14 of 53 Dave Mack

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Posted September 06 2007 - 07:46 AM

I'm sure a double dip is planned.

I'll be waiting too.

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Posted September 06 2007 - 07:47 AM

Two words: seamless branching.

I wonder if they want this format to succeed at all. Maybe Toshiba paid them off to make stupid release decisions like this on BD. Posted Image

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#16 of 53 Paul Arnette

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Posted September 06 2007 - 08:25 AM

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#17 of 53 Dan Hinson

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Posted September 06 2007 - 08:27 AM

I had heard they edited out the “Yippee-ki-yay” line for the theatrical release. Is that so?
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Posted September 06 2007 - 08:43 AM

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Yep, it was the version I've enjoyed in the movie theater and I'm not going to repurchase a longer version down the road just to hear a couple of curse words or to see a little more blood.

I would tend to agree, except that this movie wasn't originally intended to be PG-13. Unfortunately, the lip-flap and premature/sloppy edits are too distracting in the theatrical cut - I picked up on it upon my first viewing at the cinema. I'm not saying an unrated cut will make this title an any better or worse film, but hopefully I won't be taken out of the movie experience by clumsy work in post.

PG-13 cut = no $ale for me, regretably.

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Posted September 06 2007 - 08:47 AM

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I had heard they edited out the “Yippee-ki-yay” line for the theatrical release. Is that so?

No...that line is left nearly intact. In fact, it includes the word "Mother" as well. It is the final two syllables that are...erm, obfuscated.


#20 of 53 Brandon Conway

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Posted September 06 2007 - 09:16 AM

The thing is, they could have still got a PG-13 even if they didn't "obfuscate" those two syllables, because it's the only time in the film that word is "said".

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