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Reservoir Dogs 15th Anniversary Edition from Lionsgate on 10/24


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#1 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 11 2006 - 05:52 PM

Thedigitalbits.com is reporting that Lionsgate will release a 15th Anniversary Edition of "Reservoir Dogs" on October 24th. This is a welcome triple-dip because the first release's the non-anamorphic transfer was fine for it's day but it's horribly outdated now and the 10th Anniversary transfer was anamorphic but it was misframed/washed out and missing dialogue.

If they can actually correct the errors of the last releases and give this iconic film it's first proper presentation on DVD then I'm all for the triple-dip. I'll be first in line to buy it.
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#2 of 138 OFFLINE   David (C)

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Posted July 11 2006 - 05:59 PM

I bet they'll use the same transfer from the second release. Lions Gate is still using those awful video transfers for Paul Verhoeven movies, I don't see them changing.

#3 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 11 2006 - 06:10 PM

I could live with the transfer, it's the soundtrack I'm worried about.
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#4 of 138 OFFLINE   Magnus T

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Posted July 12 2006 - 03:34 AM

No way. Everything needs to be re - remastered on this release. The 10th anniversary anamorphic transfer is a joke and the missing dialog insulting to the fans. It's got pretty good extra features, though. I'll give it that. What I do find a bit frustrating, though, is that Quentin Tarantino pulled no strings to get the 10th AE fixed.
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#5 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 12 2006 - 04:34 AM

I'm all for a new transfer, I just think the soundtrack was a bigger issue. There's actually some debate as to the accuracy of the 10th Anniversary transfer whereas the missing dialogue is a proven flaw.

The dialogue issue definitely needs to be fixed and most people (myself included) think the transfer needs to be fixed. Fix them both and this will be a valid release.
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Posted July 12 2006 - 04:35 AM

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is that Quenting Tarantino pulled no strings to get the 10th AE fixed.

what?!?!? Posted Image

but i thought he 'supervised the transfer'?!?!? Posted Image
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Posted July 12 2006 - 05:22 AM

Btw - what dialog is missing? I have only seen this movie from the 2nd dvd release. I dont know what would be missing...
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Posted July 12 2006 - 05:23 AM

I'll certainly pick up a copy if it's a new transfer and all the dialog is back where it belongs.

Edit: I found this list of missing dialog at: http://forum.dvdtalk..../t-319071.html

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Here are the ones I know about for sure:
0:28:32 MR. WHITE: "I think he just passed out"
0:38:23 MR. BLONDE: "Joe"
0:51:33 MARVIN NASH: "I haven't been looking" MR. PINK "Shut the..."


#9 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 12 2006 - 05:33 AM

QT didn't supervise the transfer. He was interviewed for the DVD but otherwise uninvolved because he was busy doing pre-production on "Kill Bill".

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Btw - what dialog is missing? I have only seen this movie from the 2nd dvd release. I dont know what would be missing...
At the 0:28:32 mark, a line by Harvey Keitel's character of Mr. White is omitted. The
line in question is "I think he just passed out." At the 0:51:33 mark, a line
that is spoken by Marvin Nash (portrayed by Kirk Baltz) is omitted, as is the
beginning of the next line, which should be spoken by Steve Buscemi (Mr. Pink).
The first omitted line is "I haven't been looking," followed by the omission
of the "shut the" in Mr. Pink's "shut the fuck up, man."

edit: all my correspondence with Artisan is sort of hard to track down on the internet because it was so long ago and I used a different e-mail address back then but there's another line of dialogue that I discovered. Here is a simpler list including the missing "Joe":

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0:28:32 MR. WHITE: "I think he just passed out"
0:38:23 MR. BLONDE: "Joe"
0:51:33 MARVIN NASH: "I haven't been looking" MR. PINK "Shut the..." "

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#10 of 138 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 12 2006 - 06:29 AM

Wasn't there a problem with the last big DVD release of
Reservoir Dogs in that the transfer was misframed?

 

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#11 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 12 2006 - 06:51 AM

Well, the framing was different than the original DVD release, though I don't think anyone ever offered any significant proof as to which one was actually correct.

The only major tell-tale sign of the 10th Anniversary Edition being misframed is that the top of the brick wall can be seen during the famous opening sequence. The brick wall extends above the top of the frame on the original DVD release, which looks a lot better than seeing over it on the 10th anniversary edition, but there's nothing like on the "Back to the Future" sequel DVD's where either version is framed to the point of excluding important visuals.

I personally think the original release is properly framed and that the 10th anniversary disc shows too much but the difference is pretty insignificant, the degree of different framing isn't unusual when you're dealing with two different transfers of the same film, where a slight degree of difference isn't uncommon.
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#12 of 138 OFFLINE   Russell G

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Posted July 12 2006 - 08:39 AM

If the errors are corrected I'll rebuy.

The "tribute to Lawrence Tierny" on the 10th anniversary edition is still one of my favorite featurettes. Posted Image

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Posted July 12 2006 - 09:05 AM

“You going to bark all day little doggy, or you going to bite!”

Wow I think this is a cool film, I still own the PAL Pioneer laserdisc version, my favourite side is side 2 where the cop get the crap kicked out of him, but I do like side 1, towards the end, where Mr Blonde shows Mr Pink and Mr White the rat!

I sure hope the Dolby mix on this has a lot low end punch, Steven H Flick really likes cops getting the hell beaten out of them!

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#14 of 138 OFFLINE   Jesse Blough

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Posted July 12 2006 - 09:58 AM

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If the errors are corrected I'll rebuy.

Same here.

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Posted July 12 2006 - 09:24 PM

Concerning the framing issues of the 10th Anniversary edition:

When I saw this movie in theatres in the fall of 1992 I had just begun getting into laserdiscs and was instantly very pro-OAR. As I watched the movie I wondered how closely the framing on the theatrical screen would compare to the subsequent letterboxed laserdisc. There is a static shot at about 1:08:30 where Mr. Orange is rehearsing dialogue. The scene lasts for a while with no camera movement and it gave me time to memorize the placement of everything in the frame. As soon as I got home I drew a crude storyboard of the shot and stuck it away. A few months later when the Live laserdisc was released (I've never seen the Live dvd but I'm guessing it was framed the same way) I compared the storyboard I had drawn with the framing on the laserdisc. It didn't match. At the bottom right corner of the storyboard were three oranges (or maybe lemons) and a cup sitting on a fan. You could not tell there even was a fan on the laserdisc version. Also, at the top of the storyboard I had indicated there was a lot more of the blue wall visible above the window than just the thin strip seen on the laserdisc. It also appeared slightly cropped at the sides of the frame. I thought perhaps the movie had just been misframed in the theatre, but when I got the 10th Anniversay edition it suddenly matched the storyboard I had drawn a decade earlier. As for the transfer itself--it's bad, the missing dialogue is inexcusable, but the framing matches the theatrical presentation I saw in 1992.

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Posted July 13 2006 - 03:07 AM

According to Davisdvd it will have "limited edition gas can packaging".
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#17 of 138 OFFLINE   Bill GrandPre

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Posted July 13 2006 - 04:55 AM

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When I saw this movie in theatres in the fall of 1992 I had just begun getting into laserdiscs and was instantly very pro-OAR. As I watched the movie I wondered how closely the framing on the theatrical screen would compare to the subsequent letterboxed laserdisc. There is a static shot at about 1:08:30 where Mr. Orange is rehearsing dialogue. The scene lasts for a while with no camera movement and it gave me time to memorize the placement of everything in the frame. As soon as I got home I drew a crude storyboard of the shot and stuck it away. A few months later when the Live laserdisc was released (I've never seen the Live dvd but I'm guessing it was framed the same way) I compared the storyboard I had drawn with the framing on the laserdisc. It didn't match. At the bottom right corner of the storyboard were three oranges (or maybe lemons) and a cup sitting on a fan. You could not tell there even was a fan on the laserdisc version. Also, at the top of the storyboard I had indicated there was a lot more of the blue wall visible above the window than just the thin strip seen on the laserdisc. It also appeared slightly cropped at the sides of the frame. I thought perhaps the movie had just been misframed in the theatre, but when I got the 10th Anniversay edition it suddenly matched the storyboard I had drawn a decade earlier. As for the transfer itself--it's bad, the missing dialogue is inexcusable, but the framing matches the theatrical presentation I saw in 1992.

For what it's worth, it could have been projected incorrectly at your local theater. I'm not saying that's the likely scenario, it's just a possibility.

In any case, we'd probably have nothing to worry about if they actually got Quentin Tarantino and/or cinematographer Andrzej Sekula involved in a new transfer.
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Posted July 13 2006 - 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill GrandPre
For what it's worth, it could have been projected incorrectly at your local theater. I'm not saying that's the likely scenario, it's just a possibility.

In any case, we'd probably have nothing to worry about if they actually got Quentin Tarantino and/or cinematographer Andrzej Sekula involved in a new transfer.
How can an anamorphic print be misprojected? Unlike a matted 1.85, everything that's shown on screen 2.35 is what's on the print.

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Posted July 13 2006 - 05:13 AM

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#20 of 138 OFFLINE   Jeff Ulmer

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Posted July 13 2006 - 06:08 AM

If this is Lion's Gate, don't be surprised if it's a pan and scan transfer.


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