[quote=EnricoE]here is copy&paste from a thread i've made at movie-list.com
for the biggest problem i've had in the ee of return of the king ....
after seeing both versions of rotk, i always had one big problem. the extended edition has two scenes that should've not included into it. the problem with these scenes is that they kill the surprise. the scenes i'm talking about are
after aragon ask the dead army "what say you". when our 3 heroes leave the cave and look down to the river, they see the pirates coming and aragon falls on his knees. to that point the scene is perfect, as it shows that hope is lost and gondor will fall. but then peter jackson made the first mistake: he showed us that the king of the dead will fight. the second mistake comes about 7min later, when we see our 3 heroes standing on the beach and tell the pirates to surrender. these two scenes kill the "lost hope" theme and the surprise later on. the surprise is when the boats are coming into the harbor and the orks just waiting for the pirates but our heroes jump out instead.
i made the spoiler tags for those who hadn't seen the movie. if you haven't seen it, don't watch the clip below
i made a little clip for the scene how it should've been like, at least from the editing point. the sound cut is to obvious. anyway, you get the idea.
I continue to be baffled why people want this so called "surprise" this was my biggest problem with the Theatrical Version of ROTK. It only could have surprised non book readers but even then, I mean come on did you really think Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas would be dumb enough to take on that huge army at Minas Tirith alone. It was only obvious that the Undead army was there and even if you somehow were still surprised you would never be surpised when you watched it again. I felt cheated and it made the scene feel like a cop-out ending to the battle because there was no other way for them to win when they didn't show the full scene of what was happening. I kept saying wait a minute: When did they join and when did they take over the ships. The continuity that the book had and the film had to that point was ruined by this so called "surprise". Thankfully the EE corrects this.