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#21 of 43 OFFLINE   EricRWem

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Posted August 25 2004 - 09:59 AM

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Wait a minute. You are telling me that as clear as a DVD is on my TV, it is STILL not high-definition? How can this be? I have an HDTV Hitcahi Widescreen and a progressive scan DVD player. How can it NOT be high definition? You are telling me that high-definition does not technically begin until you reach 720p? Please explain.

Yes, the source signal has to be at least 720p to be considered true HD. Your TV doesn't automatically just make anything input into it true HD. Wow, if only something like that existed!

Now these days you have DVD players that will upconvert regular DVD's to 720p and 1080i. These are half step technologies because the source signal is still the 480i or pthat all DVD's are.

You just have a really nice pro scan DVD picture. It's not HD at all. You're looking at a nice 480p picture on a nice TV that's handling it well.

Switch on Discovery HD and compare that picture. THAT'S true HD.

#22 of 43 OFFLINE   Neil McCaulley

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Posted August 25 2004 - 10:02 AM

What is a good brand DTV Receiver I can purchase to use with an antenna and UHF preamplifier that costs under $300?
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#23 of 43 OFFLINE   John S

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Posted August 25 2004 - 10:27 AM

480p DVD, is considered EDTV by the way.. Extended definition television. It can be real good for sure.

http://www.mpsuperst....71.htm?grabber

On a tuner under $300, but you can go down to a local store and usually score a much better price on one open box.

My local CC asserts many people buy the wrong thing, and return them, thinking they are a Satalite tuner, which they are not, just an Over-the-air ATSC HDTV tuner/reciever.

#24 of 43 OFFLINE   Robert_J

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Posted August 25 2004 - 10:30 AM

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Yes, I am an existing customer. Yes, I pay my bill on time. No, they did not mention word one about a $99 HDTV Receiver.
It's not an advertised promotion. You have to call customer retention. I've posted this information a few times in the last few months.

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And this is sufficient to get a good HDTV picture on your HiDef TV? Have you seen what Monday Night Football looks like? Is it a noticeable improvement?
Yes. It was a close-out of the Radio Shack Double Bow Tie antenna. (RS recently added it back and upped the price to around $20) I'm about 20 miles from the transmitter over flat terrain.

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You are kidding.
Not kidding. The Silver Sensor is another very popular and inexpensive set top antenna.

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What does everybody think about this Antenna?
You can find it at Terk's website.
Terk sucks. Almost as much as Bose. Antennas should look like antennas. Radio Shack, Channel Master and Wingard are good brands.

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What is a good brand DTV Receiver I can purchase to use with an antenna and UHF preamplifier that costs under $300?
First, call customer retention and see what they can do for you. You can get a discound and six months of the HD package for free. Second, you probably don't need a pre-amp unless you have a long cable between your antenna and receiver.

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What about what an earlier poster said? He said that he gets his high-definition channels with a $5 set-top antenna from Radio Shack? Can you confirm his story?
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#25 of 43 OFFLINE   Jeff Gatie

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Posted August 25 2004 - 10:53 AM

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You just have a really nice pro scan DVD picture. It's not HD at all. You're looking at a nice 480p picture on a nice TV that's handling it well.


True. DVD can be excellent on a good widesceeen display, but HDTV, especially the stuff that is filmed in HDTV video (Discovery Channel, PBS, Sports) will blow you away. As good as DVD is, it cannot compare to HDTV. Watching a NE Patriots game last year, there was a slight mist falling and you could see the individual water droplets forming on the helmets of the guys in the huddle. That's HDTV!!

#26 of 43 OFFLINE   Nathan_R

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Posted August 25 2004 - 10:56 AM

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WOW! You are saying that with an antenna, I will get all of these channels in HiDef on my set?


The stations I listed are *all* the digital stations. "Digital" includes both HD and SD. Those channels listed with 720p and 1080i off to the right are the High Definition channels. The others are Standard Definition. The SD channels nowhere near as crisp as the HD channels, however because they're transmitted digitally they look a great deal better than their analog (read: "cable") counterparts.

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Even without the HiDef Receiver from DirecTV?

Unless you have an built-in HDTV tuner in your tv, you will still need some sort of HDTV receiver. If you still have the HD receiver Directv sold you (I'm unclear if you still have this), then all you have to do connect any antenna to the receiver via the "Antenna" or "Off-Air" coax connection on the back of the box. Samsung makes a few popular OTA-only (no satellite) HD receivers, as well, if you still need an inexpensive hd receiver.

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You are saying that there is no such thing as a HIGH-DEFINITION antenna and in fact it is just a REGULAR antenna? What about what an earlier poster said? He said that he gets his high-definition channels with a $5 set-top antenna from Radio Shack? Can you confirm his story?

As for antennae, *any* tv antenna will pick up digital/HD channels. The Radio Shack double bowtie mentioned elsewhere in this thread is a great indoor antenna. I've owned three of them over the past few years. They worked beautifully in Brookhaven-- I hid mine behind the tv. However, now that I'm in Marietta, I'm using an outdoor antenna.

One thing to note about Atlanta in particular is that WXIA (NBC) is a VHF station, as it's transmitted on channel 10. As it's rather high in the VHF band, you're likely to receive this station via a UHF-only antenna (like the double bowtie).

Also, I didn't realize you're in Acworth. I just emailed a guy who also inquired about HD reception in Acworth. Kinda funny. I'll tell you the same thing-- while you can (and probably will) receive all of Atlanta's digital stations, I should warn you that Acworth is a trouble spot for reception, due to the terrain. It can be very difficult to pull in digital signals through hills and trees. I'm 99% sure WGCL (CBS) and WSB (ABC) will be the most difficult channels to pull in.

Hope some of this rambling helps a bit. Congrats-- you're about to step into a much brighter TV world. Posted Image If you have any Atlanta-specific questions, feel free to drop me a line or ask the georgiahdtv.com folks. We won't bite. Posted Image

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#27 of 43 OFFLINE   Jean D

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Posted August 26 2004 - 01:57 AM

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As for antennae, *any* tv antenna will pick up digital/HD channels. The Radio Shack double bowtie mentioned elsewhere in this thread is a great indoor antenna. I've owned three of them over the past few years. They worked beautifully in Brookhaven-- I hid mine behind the tv. However, now that I'm in Marietta, I'm using an outdoor antenna.


Not *any*. As far as I know, it has to be able to recieve UHF band.

Neil, Im curious. Where did you purchase your hdtv? And what prompted you to buy one. Didnt they have one on display showing an HD picture? Cause it sounds like you havent seen HD in all its glory. It really is breath taking.

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Posted August 26 2004 - 02:08 AM

Ok, allow me to rephrase--

As for antennae, *any* UHF and/or VHF tv antenna will pick up digital/HD channels.

It just so happens that most digital stations around the country transmit on the UHF band. However, there's no requirement that stations must broadcast in the UHF band.
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Posted August 26 2004 - 03:42 AM

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"It's not an advertised promotion. You have to call customer retention. I've posted this information a few times in the last few months."

Ive not found it after searching, please expand on this.

I just got off the phone w/ directv, Ive been a customer w/ them since 98 and have 4 receivers in my house and they offered me the same rate as everyone else...$349 or $399 w/ OTA which includes installation.

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Posted August 26 2004 - 04:26 AM

If I recall correctly. I believe I read on some other threads about this $99. deal. You have to hassle them about it and ask to speak to a supervisor about it cause the Customer Service Reps dont know anything about it.
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Posted August 26 2004 - 04:42 AM

SInce it seems to be available from "customer retension", I would threaten to switch to cable because the $399 is too much to pay. Say your cable company is offering free installation and free HDTV locals, that should get the ball rolling. Often they hold back these types of deals until the customer tries to cancel their dish subscription.

#32 of 43 OFFLINE   Robert_J

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Posted August 26 2004 - 05:38 AM

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Ive not found it after searching, please expand on this.
Link Customer Retention's phone number is on the last post.

AVS has a lot of stories on deals people got and how they went about it. I linked to page 99 so you might want to read backwards since things have changed since the thread was started last year.

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#33 of 43 OFFLINE   Neil McCaulley

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Posted November 16 2004 - 12:36 AM

Thanks to all that have educated me about HDTV and receiving the programming for it. Since funds are low right now, and I returned the HDTV Receiver I bought from DirecTV out of frustration, I think I am just going to sit and wait until A) the price drops significantly on receivers, and B) a high definition signal can be braodcast through the connection I already have through my dish.
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#34 of 43 OFFLINE   Robert_J

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Posted November 16 2004 - 12:58 AM

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B) a high definition signal can be braodcast through the connection I already have through my dish.
It's already been announced. DirecTV just has to send up a new satellite to cover the top 20 markets (a guess/rumor) and upgrade the dishes to pick up this new satellite location. If you aren't in a large television market it may be years before you get HD via satellite.

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#35 of 43 OFFLINE   EricRWem

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Posted November 16 2004 - 03:15 AM

This thread made me chuckle. Here's a question for you: What's a bigger rip-off for HD? DirecTV, DISH, or VOOM? Posted Image

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Posted November 16 2004 - 04:23 AM

I live in Duluth, and to get all the available OTA HD channels, I use a double bowtie UHF antenna, and a 20dB signal booster, plus a VHF antenna (for NBC, channel 11/10) that is combined with the UHF antenna (using a coax splitter in reverse) and fed into my Samsung SIR-T165. Sometimes reception can be problematic due to rainy weather conditions, but I've been pleased with the OTA HD broadcasts that I watch almost every night of the week.
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#37 of 43 OFFLINE   William D Cavender

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Posted November 16 2004 - 12:55 PM

I live in the Oakland Bay area and receive CBS, NBC in HD along with Directv 5 other HD broadcasts and soon they will add FOX. By the middle of next year there will be many more stations in HD from Directv.

#38 of 43 OFFLINE   EricRWem

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Posted November 16 2004 - 02:31 PM

Who do you all think has the brightest prospects or best deals on HD programming? Cable? DirectTV? DISH? or VOOM?

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Posted November 16 2004 - 11:03 PM

I don't know, but I do enjoying watching the Voom girl in their 30 minute infomercial on the weekends.
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#40 of 43 OFFLINE   Shane Martin

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Posted November 17 2004 - 12:05 AM

Cable is certainly the easiest solution but they are usually the slowest to add channels.

Directv is rather slow now but I expect alot more to be added shortly and then the gap will be widened.

Dish has said that no more HD for a while due to no more room. D* Has plenty and is planning to ramp it up.

Voom has the most HD but it's a huge hassle and there is always the rumors about voom dying soon. Voom is in dire straits right now and while they offer the most HD, they don't offer any deals worth mentioning to get you to install it plus their installers are usually terrible. Then their billing is pretty awful and this doesn't include their customer service which has been mentioned as AWFUL at best. Voom is also going up in rates in January and I predict they will lose even more folks. Right now they are losing more than gaining. That is not a good sign.

So right now if you can deal with the cost of satellite it is going to offer you quite a bit(an an antennae). I would say later this next year, we'll see satellite be the HD leader. Cable will still be much easier to get and get going and the cost of their DVR's will be a big draw for alot of folks. The $999 D* wants for theirs is a bit troublesome to me so I've considered switching back to Cox but I don't know yet what I'm going to do.


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