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#1 of 186 Daniel P

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Posted May 17 2003 - 04:18 PM

I hear the US version will carry a dts es track...but the Canadian version only has dts 5.1...

Can anyone shed any more light on this?

#2 of 186 Paul_Stachniak

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Posted May 17 2003 - 04:40 PM

Well I figure one extra disc of features, and a third with the films soundtrack make up the lack of DTS for me. Also the cover for the Canadian version is 1000x better then the US cover, so I'm sold on the Can version.
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#3 of 186 Gary Tooze

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Posted May 18 2003 - 09:53 AM

I believe the Canadian version is by Alliance Atlantis... one of the worst DVD production companies in existance... from the DVD Comparison thread:
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Alliance Atlantis are the worst in my opinion. They seem to fail any chance they have to prove themselves... The Straight Story, The Adjuster, The Red Violin, The Fast Runner... and their blunders are never small... pan and scaning widescreen, violent color manipulation.... yuchhhh!

Buying your DVDs based on the cover art is not the most sensible approach...

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Posted May 18 2003 - 10:32 AM

Not to get off topic, but the AA version of Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner is by far the superior version on the market.

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Posted May 18 2003 - 11:24 AM

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Not to get off topic, but the AA version of Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner is by far the superior version on the market.
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Perhaps you should look HERE. It is in fact the worst in Region 1 ( the Columbia Tristar BLOWS it away )... and I understand the French Region 2 is far better as well...

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Comments: I am asking for someone at Alliance Atlantis to be fired. What a travesty! This is what I was afraid of with these two editions. One has great Extra Features but a sloppy picture and the other is bare bones, burned in subs and a much better picture quality... arghhhhh. Ohh yeah, the Columbia is 6 minutes shorter... what gives. Is Criterion the only one who takes pride in their work? True fans will have to get both but if you only want to see the film then its the Columbia Tri-Star until I can figure out what they have done with 6 minutes of the film. Somebody's colors are way of too... my guess would be Alliance. The captures below more than adequately tell the story of the image quality and the extras are all listed above. Alliance - Pan and Scan The Straight Story', Full Frame 'The Red Violin' and this... Great eh!

P.S. The Alliance looks horizontally cropped a little to boot... sheeeeesh

But perhaps you mean superior in another sense... please explain.

This should be a strong warning as to the amount of dis-information floating around these forums at times...

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#6 of 186 Gary Tooze

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Posted May 18 2003 - 11:33 AM

You can search this Forum to find this HERE:
Alliance Atlantis:
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Columbia Tri-Star:
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and here are two more:
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Columbia Tri-Star:
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Why would you even say this:
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AA version of Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner is by far the superior version on the market
You obviously have not compared it... or seen it compared. Why would you spread false information when you obviously are unaware ?

BOTTOM LINE: DON'T BUY ALLIANCE ATLANTIS products until they clean up their act.


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Posted May 18 2003 - 11:39 AM

As long as the Can. version has dts, I can generate the back channel almost as well...is it supposed to be ES discrete, BTW? Not like there's much there in most ES movies. Hope the video's the same...

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Posted May 18 2003 - 12:31 PM

This should be a strong warning as to the amount of dis-information floating around these forums at times...

Speaking of misinformation are we sure Alliance is involved in the Canadian DVD release of this film? From everything I have read, it looks like Lions Gate and TVA International are involved in this dvd release. So my question is Alliance affliated with those companies? If not then we can get back to the original subject matter.

I had the 3-disc set on preorder for quite some time, so I'm looking forward to it.




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#9 of 186 Gary Tooze

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Posted May 18 2003 - 12:38 PM

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From everything I have read, it looks like Lions Gate

Robert is right... Amazon.ca have it as a Lion's Gate (the 2 disc AND the 3 disc versions)... thanks goodness...


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Posted May 18 2003 - 01:21 PM

Yep, TVA is the distributor up here for The Pianist and is doing the 3 disc DVD release up here. They are not affiliated with Alliance Atlantis, thank god. Posted Image

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Posted May 19 2003 - 07:12 AM

Ouch Gary, looks like I hit a nerve there. How dare you write such an imflamatory set of postings, presuming (wrongly) I have not seen both of the two versions. Your webpage also does not seem to support your case, you are relying soley on screen shots. Case in point, the bit rate is higher on the AA version, and since there are no scenes of high moving action, I see no reason to vary the bitrate to improve picture quality, as is the case in the columbia release. I'll admit that the screen show that the columbia version has a better transfer, but realistically, both have a decent image, and it comes down the the columbia release have the better, yet still mediocre transfer.

You yourself say that the AA release is better on 3 out of the 4 categories on your site, and I would agree. The extras are better, the menus are way better, and the sound is better AND subbed in both the official Canadian laguages.

When the director, Zacharias Kunuk was at the University of Calgary for the free showing of the movie, the AA version was the version he was selling and signing. I never thought to ask him what version he preferred, but if you really want, I'll email one of the profs at the U of C, and maybe get and answer.

It seems to me, that your own site shows the AA version as the superiour RELEASE, and I feel that your personal hatred for AA releases, coupled with your pretentious, yet baffling postings serve only to "warn" people about that which you don't approve of.

I would take the DVD with the extra 6 minutes, better sound, and better menus, over the release with a slightly, yet still poor transfer, any day. And I'm sure most would.

cheers!

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Posted May 19 2003 - 11:02 AM

Josh... Alliance really does have a poor track record. If it's an Alliance release I alway look for reviews before purchasing.

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#13 of 186 Gary Tooze

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Posted May 19 2003 - 11:27 AM

Josh,

Perhaps you didn't understand correctly.

You can defend Alliance (pretty much by yourself) in THIS THREAD if you choose to continue to do so.

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with your pretentious, yet baffling postings serve only to "warn" people about that which you don't approve of.
If you are not capable of supporting your argument then try not to get personal. You are very insulting.

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the AA version of Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner is by far the superior version on the market.

was made out of ignorance. You could not have known, or you would not have said something so ridiculous...

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Posted May 19 2003 - 02:47 PM

Let's cease with the personal comments now! It wouldn't be wise to risk your posting privileges over this type of argument.





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#15 of 186 Charles Ms

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Posted May 20 2003 - 03:30 AM

Can anybody confirm that the "The Pianist (Limited Edition) (3 Discs)" Lions Gate DVD Version will include the whole OST on CD ?

In Germany at amazon.de a 3-disc version of "The Pianist" was promoted for quite some time - just to be changed a week before release: saying that the Soundtrack CD is in reality just a (promotion) CD with 1 title from "Wladyslaw Szpilman - The Original Recordings Of The Pianist" and 2 titles from "The Pianist - Original Soundtrack".

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#16 of 186 Robert Burkes

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Posted May 20 2003 - 11:46 AM

Does anyone know what will be on the second disc of the Canadian release? I just purchased the U.S. rlease when I saw it on sale this evening at a local store. How much will the two and three disc sets be in U.S. dollars (don't know how to convert the currency). I absolutely loved this movie, and I would love to own the best version of it on DVD. Thanks for any info!

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Posted May 20 2003 - 01:21 PM

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Does anyone know what will be on the second disc of the Canadian release? I just purchased the U.S. rlease when I saw it on sale this evening at a local store. How much will the two and three disc sets be in U.S. dollars (don't know how to convert the currency). I absolutely loved this movie, and I would love to own the best version of it on DVD. Thanks for any info!


I'll let you know when I receive my copy. Apparently the studio sent a review copy out to me this afternoon. If I wasn't so busy with my other gig as a theatrical reviewer then I probably could have already had the disc.

Hopefully it'll arrive by the end of the week. Who knows maybe they'll Fedex it to me. Stranger things have happened with these studios.

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#18 of 186 Daniel P

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Posted May 20 2003 - 10:41 PM

Just to go off topic...
Does anyone kow if it'll have an es track?

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#19 of 186 Robert Burkes

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Posted May 21 2003 - 07:17 AM

The U.S. version I have does not list ES. It says it has DTS 5.1 surround. Perhaps it's just mislabeled, if you've all heard something different...? I dunno.

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Posted May 21 2003 - 08:40 AM

Bruce,

How is the transfer? The audio? The extras? Is the Canadian set worth importing? Thanks!

Rob


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