TravisR
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I agree. And certainly he is a mystery that occupied some of Patti's headspace.Walter Kittel said:Michael Gaston's character is still a mystery. I believe he was the 'someone' that 'they' sent to help Kevin Garvey, as announced by Kevin's father.
Considering how hurt she was by Jill's question ("Did you fuck my dad?"), I'm not sure what to think about her character now. The fact that she's played a prominent role in the chief's blackout periods has to have some significance, as does the fact that -- like Dean -- she doesn't seem to have any home life of her own to speak of.Still not sure how Aimee figures into all of this, but she has been present during some of Kevin's blackouts. I don't think she is the same as Michael Gaston's character, but she may be working in concert with him.
That's what made that development so interesting for me. Laurie clearly wants this for herself, but does she want it for her daughter? Will she "kill" her daughter by allowing her to become part of the Guilty Remnant? It's clear why Jill came -- when she found the gun under Nora's son's bed, it robbed her of hope -- but it's less clear whether Laurie will stomach staying seeing what it has done to her daughter.Quentin said:But, will she stay? Laurie seems like a true believer, and I still think she was one of the people who killed Gladys (we now know it was the GR), but will she be ok with her daughter being a part of that?
Agreed on all points. The contrast between Laurie and Meg was pretty clear. Laurie knew what she signed up for; Meg made it clear that she didn't.Laurie's reaction when Meg goes off on Nora is very interesting. Meg's very indignant about Nora's remark, but Laurie isn't at all. She takes it for what it was; a pointed reminder that her child is hurting in large part because of her choices.joshEH said:Although I just wanted to STRANGLE Liv Tyler during her hypocritical hissy-fit. "They spray us with hoses and throw things at us!" Uh, no fucking duh -- you guys didn't start dressing in white and chain-smoking because "they" were already doing that to you previoulsy. "They" only started doing that to you after you all launched a multi-year campaign of stalking people, breaking into their homes, and forcefully dragging up the single worst thing that ever happened to them in public spaces. If you're going to devote your entire life to being a troll, you don't get to be outraged when people get pissed off at you for it.
I think Jill was angered and saddened...IS angered and saddened by the people who attempt to "move on". She hasn't reconciled with her own loss and pain, so she is puzzled how/why anyone else can. She was actually curious and consoled by the 'old' Nora - a person clearly acting out, much like herself, and who carried her pain around with her in the form of a gun. Simply hiding the gun in her child's room rings untrue to Jill. She doesn't think you can or should hide your pain. She prefers people who wear it. I don't know if it robbed her of her hope when she found the gun - I think it simply reinforced her belief that people can NOT move on from the pain.Adam Lenhardt said:That's what made that development so interesting for me. Laurie clearly wants this for herself, but does she want it for her daughter? Will she "kill" her daughter by allowing her to become part of the Guilty Remnant? It's clear why Jill came -- when she found the gun under Nora's son's bed, it robbed her of hope -- but it's less clear whether Laurie will stomach staying seeing what it has done to her daughter.
I'm not sure either...and, knowing Lindelof it could be about NOTHING.Walter Kittel said:Still not sure what the deer business is all about.
- Walter.
I suspect that the car was full of future GR members. The simple answer for why they stopped was because Kevin was wearing a white tee-shirt and smoking, so they mistook him for one of their own. At least I think that is more likely than some metaphysical reason.I'm also curious about the weirdos who stopped and asked if he was ready. Future GR members? Does he have some aura they see? Why did they ask that? Why did Patti say he understands? WTF is going on there? And, why did the sewer gas explode?
I agree. I was also impressed with how differently some actors played their characters, while Justin Theroux was at the center, in a far better place but fundamentally the same person. Amy Brenneman and Margaret Qualley particularly stood out to me: In the case of Laurie, we start from the assumption that she was tweaked before the Rapture, and her membership is a reaction to deeper shit already going on. Toward that end, we assume the doctor's appointment she's put off is her own psychiatrist, only for it to turn out to be a ultrasound tech's office. Brenneman played all of those notes while providing just enough hints to explain the person who wrote that divorce note to her husband. In the case of Jill, we have two things going on: one, she's a fourteen year old girl instead of a seventeen year old girl, and two, she's happy instead of miserable. Usually when teenagers play younger, it doesn't sell, but the combination of the costume, hair, braces, makeup and performance really sold it. Qualley carried herself differently, spoke differently, used her face differently. Like Josh, I thought she was very effective.Josh Dial said:Another great episode tonight. I am genuinely surprised without solid the entire season has been. This episode added a number of important and interesting layers to the previous episodes, without cheapening them or coming off as gimmicky.
I agree completely. Laurie's been a character I've struggled with since the beginning, especially when you see what her actions have done to Jill. The traumatic experience of the ultrasound really explains why Laurie has such a desperate need to remember, and has such a desperate need to make others remember. If a global event happened that devastated you personally, and everybody else just wanted to move on, it'd make you just about crazy. Some people, like Nora, internalized that. Others, like Laurie, externalized it.Walter Kittel said:Sunday's episode certainly made me more sympathetic towards Laurie. Having THAT happen would put the zap to anyone's head. As soon as she was in the doctor's office, I knew where it was headed, but it was still pretty shocking.
Interesting theory. I definitely think the strangeness with the deer was a precursor to the rapture. The deer was probably attuned to whatever Patti was attuned to.Sam Posten said:Re: the deer business.the deer attacks preceded the departure, since they are occurring again perhaps they are proceeding a second one!
Absolutely. I also had assumed that Kevin's affair was an ongoing neighborhood fling for some period leading up to the rapture. It's interesting that the main POV characters were all at a moment of moral judgment when the rapture occurred: Kevin was cheating on his wife for perhaps the first and only time, Nora was nasty to her daughter, and Laurie was considering an abortion. That had to add a certain dimension to each's feelings toward the rapture.Quentin said:The one thing I did find very interesting was Kevin's 'cheating'. I had always assumed a long term affair, but clearly this was a one-night stand (one afternoon...errr, half an afternoon). Was he a serial cheater? Maybe...or maybe he was just unhappy and restless and unsure and this really was a one time thing. Either way, the girl disappearing mid-coitus has to leave one wondering if it's a message?
My interpretation is that they were all imminent departures, and thought he was one too. Once they realized he wasn't, they apologized for their mistake and moved on. Patti was anxious about her premonition of the rapture, while the people in the car possessed total serenity. Note too that Nora's daughter didn't need the light kept on any more, because she wasn't scared of anything any more. On some level, I think the departures knew something was coming, and that it wasn't something to be afraid of.I'm also curious about the weirdos who stopped and asked if he was ready. Future GR members? Does he have some aura they see? Why did they ask that?
I agree. The sense of profound loss is central to every member of the Garvey family, and it's all the more tragic because Laurie is (presumably) the only one who knows the reason for that sense of profound loss.joshEH said:I'm assuming everyone who was complaining about the Garveys initially ("They didn't even lose anyone, what's their problem!?") has stopped watching at this point; not that this episode would have changed their minds about the show or anything, but it does address those complaints head-on in about as perfect a way as I could have hoped for.
I like in one of the early episodes when the mayor said something along the lines of "What should we call it? We-don't-what-the-fuck-happened day?"Sam Posten said:I wish we wouldn't keep calling it the rapture but I guess I'm swimming against the tide on that one.
You and Rev. Matt.Sam Posten said:I wish we wouldn't keep calling it the rapture but I guess I'm swimming against the tide on that one.