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Is the b&w era of TV on DVD slowly coming to an end?

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Gary OS, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. LouA

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    The last season of RAWHIDE was just announced for release this Spring by CBS.
     
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    Here's hoping CBS's next step will be Rawhide: The Complete Series, with a remastered seasons 1 and 4!
     
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    I'd really like to see a Have Gun Will Travel: The Complete Series with Seasons 1-3 remastered. That show has been finished for awhile now but no announcement
     
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  4. Gary OS

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    I want both of these! Seasons One and Four of Rawhide & Seasons One, Two and Three of Have Gun, Will Travel remastered. While I wouldn't be happy about having to double-dip on massive Complete sets, these two series are holy grails for me so I'd begrudgingly do it to get the better picture quality that would come with remastering. It would be nice of CBS to go back and remaster those seasons and offer them to consumers as standalone releases.


    Gary "I'm fairly certain the only way I'll ever get those seasons remastered will be via 'Complete Series' sets though" O.
     
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    I'd prefer to see uncompleted TV series being completed (Sgt Bilko, Burke's Law, Mister Ed,...) or unreleased TV series being released (Richard Diamond, Boston Blackie, The Thin Man,...) than having releases of things already released.
     
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    I watched it yesterday on Encore Western and thought surely they were working from old prints. At the end, however, was the new Paramount logo, not the old V of Doom I was expecting. It's not on my holy grail list but it's a show that's good enough it should be remastered imho!
     
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  7. Gary OS

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    If HGWT and Rawhide had not used so much beautiful location shooting I'd be less inclined to want remastered prints. If we were talking about a western that is primarily soundstage bound (especially in regards to outdoor, daytime scenes) then I honestly wouldn't have nearly as much interest in whether or not the prints were remastered. But these shows went out of their way to film in some beautiful locations so I'd like to enjoy it with quality video.


    Gary "hopefully CBS eventually corrects these missteps" O.
     
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    I shall take it upon myself to note that this thread is now over the 100 pages milestone. :drum:
     
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    It is a well-produced show with a ton of outside work. If we're counting just westerns, it would be in my top five easily but I just can't see springing for the DVD's if they're not any better than what Encore is offering.
     
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    Since CBS (according to their own site) hasn't remastered some of the seasons from HGWT and Rawhide, then you can bet that what you saw the other day was not remastered. Even if it had a different logo on it, I guarantee you it wasn't remastered. I just watched an episode of HGWT on Encore Westerns the day before yesterday and it looked horrible as well. It was a Season Four episode, but it didn't look anywhere near as good as my Season Four remastered episodes do.


    Gary "trust me, remastering shows like these make a huge difference - don't necessarily go by what Encore shows" O.
     
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    So are the DVD transfers better than what Encore is showing? I guess I was under the impression none of the seasons were remastered.
     
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    For Have Gun Will Travel: The 1st three seasons are not remastered and do not look very good. Seasons 4-6 are remastered and look excellent. So we are hoping Seasons 1-3 are remastered when they do a complete series release. For Rawhide the same situation for Season 1 and 4 not being remastered but the rest of the seasons are.
     
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    Yep, Randy's spot on. What I think must be happening with the EncoreWesterns airing of HGWT is that they aren't using the remastered prints from seasons 4-6. I honestly haven't watched much of the show on TV (since I've got the dvds), but I did look at another episode today since I'm in the middle of a free month of the Encore package. The channel is still airing episodes from season four and the one I saw today was NOT remastered. It looked fairly ragged.


    Gary "I don't know what the chances are of a complete set of either series down the road having corrected seasons, but I'll keep my fingers crossed" O.
     
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    I've held off on buying these shows (HGWT and RH) due to the lack of remastering certain seasons, but will certainly strongly consider a complete series reissue if these are fixed. Unfortunately the only similar situations I know of is Hawaii Five-O where S10 was fixed and ILL where S1 was fixed. Not sure if these series are popular enough to get the same treatment. The lack of any updates on their bible website doesn't leave me optimistic.
     
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    CBS did a remastering of season 1 for I Love Lucy for the complete release and I think The Andy Griffith Show also saw some improvements for its complete series release. So there's some precedence here although multiple seasons being remastered for a complete DVD release would be pretty ambitious and expensive.
     
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    My take is that CBS didn't do all this just for DVD releases, it has to be more geared to the future and HD syndication. Therefore, it would be a compromise on their part not to remaster all the seasons eventually. However, CBS can't keep up with the demand as it is based on the time it takes, and there isn't enough incentive to go back and fix something that has already been released. So like Hawaii Five-O, I would imagine the next time the unmastered seasons will be revisited will either be for a complete series release or a blu-ray release. That way they will have a completed HD package for syndication.

    As Jimmy would say, "don't worry it'll happen" but we just have to wait a bit longer for them to get back to those seasons. :)
     
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    Have Gun Will Travel Seasons 1-3 and Rawhide Season 1 were released by CBS before they started remastering all their shows.

    I've never understood what happened with Rawhide Season 4 though. The picture quality is almost on par with a public domain release. There might have been some sort of mistake with this release. Maybe they were intending to remaster it, as the back cover of Rawhide Season 4 Volume 2 actually states that the episodes in the set are "digitally remastered"! Talk about falsity in advertising!

    I certainly hope CBS goes back and corrects this one day, as they recently did with Hawaii Five-O Season 10. If they ever do, it would probably be for a complete series set. I do think a lot of people would be interested in such a set though; I'd snap it up immediately! Here's hoping that Paramount is reading this or someone passes the idea along to them.
     
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    I believe I checked into this once before and found that Rawhide season 4 and Bonanza season 2 and possibly the unmastered Hawaii Five-O season were all done within a year of each other. My theory is that CBS was just looking to try and get things out quicker and to do that had to leave those umastered. Many of the complaints they receive is always related to being to slow to release. They gambled and lost on this since people wanted quicker and still the higher quality, so just complained that much more.
     
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    Brad, I just picked up the first five seasons of BONANZA for a very, very good price (S5 complete was just $8.50 shipped!). I'm assuming that they never redid S2? How bad does it look?
     
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    Nice...that is a very good price. For some reason CBS discounts Bonanza a bit better than Gunsmoke on initially release, so I generally get it right away. However, I'd be smarter to wait a bit longer.

    Season two doesn't look bad per se, it just isn't as good in comparison to the other seasons. It would probably be comparable to what Encore is playing for the "Lost Years" in that it would be complete, possibly a little faded, close-ups will look good, while the background is lacking in a bit of detail. However, the bitrate would be higher than what you would probably get on broadcast so probably a bit less artifacts during motion.

    I would recommend not watching a season 2 episode on the same night as a season 1 or season 3 episode so you will be less likely to get caught up in comparisons, and can just sit back and enjoy the show.
     
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