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Will Cold Case ever make it to DVD?

post #1 of 20
10/10/06 at 10:51am
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I've heard there are issues with music rights yet the show continues to play a song at the end of every episode. I missed Season 1 and would love to buy it.
Is there any hope?
Janie
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post #2 of 20
10/10/06 at 3:20pm

Re: Will Cold Case ever make it to DVD?

I would like to see this show on DVD as well.

I am surprised it hasn't been, and thought music rights wouldn't be much of an issue with today's shows.
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post #3 of 20
10/10/06 at 4:00pm

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The producers have stated the music is so important to the show, they aren't even thinking about DVD release, as it would be way too expensive.

I thought it was foolish, until I saw an episode. And, the music was a HUGE part of it. It would hurt it to remove, and be too expensive to release as is.
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post #4 of 20
10/10/06 at 4:49pm

Re: Will Cold Case ever make it to DVD?

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Originally Posted by Janie111
I've heard there are issues with music rights yet the show continues to play a song at the end of every episode. I missed Season 1 and would love to buy it.
Is there any hope?
Janie

Unlike the shows I desire from the 60s and 70s, you at least had the option to record it yourself when it aired.
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post #5 of 20
10/10/06 at 6:49pm

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To make a TV show nowadays without giving thought to a probable DVD release is downright stupid! Shame on the Cold Case producers- if they know that they're gonna make episodes with certain songs, they should've had the brains to make clearance plans for a future DVD release!
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post #6 of 20
10/10/06 at 8:27pm

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Originally Posted by Charles Ellis
To make a TV show nowadays without giving thought to a probable DVD release is downright stupid! Shame on the Cold Case producers- if they know that they're gonna make episodes with certain songs, they should've had the brains to make clearance plans for a future DVD release!


True. However anyone who really likes a current show, especially one that contains pop songs, should have the brains to record it themselves and not count on the studios to release it in the exact form that it aired. If not, then they shouldn't complain when they either get music replacements or in the case of this show, nothing.
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post #7 of 20
10/10/06 at 11:05pm

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well, sometimes people won't get into a show until it's late and miss the opportunity.

I don't think many people decided when Cold Case premiered "okay, this is going to become one of my favorite shows" and taped it from the start.

Plus, I don't have a DVR and frankly DVD's are far more convienient for me to own than bulky VHS tapes. I'm glad I can chuck out those VHS recordings I made of reruns of shows like Ellen and Roseanne by having a superior quality version on DVD than on video.

However, I don't get why Warner didn't even give Cold Case a chance on DVD. I am a big fan of Supernatural, which is another Warner-owned current series that uses a ton of rock music from the 1970's and 1980's and they've used music by Creedence Clearwater Revival, Black Sabbath, The Rolling Stones and others during key moments of the show, and EVERYTHING transferred to DVD flawlessly and it was all there, I don't see why they couldn't negotiate the music for Cold Case on DVD considering they did so for Supernatural and the set sold pretty well. Whose to say Cold Case wouldn't sell too? I mean, I don't think CCR and the Stones are exactly the cheapest artists to negotiate usage on a DVD release and they did just that with Supernatural, they could easily do the same with Cold Case if they tried.
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post #8 of 20
10/11/06 at 6:59am

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Originally Posted by Jay_B!
they could easily do the same with Cold Case if they tried.
What makes you sure they haven't tried? The average episode of Cold Case contains four or five songs, which means a season set will require roughly a hundred clearances. That it would be just as "easy" to negotiate rights for Cold Case as it is for Supernatural (and who says that was easy?) is by no means a given.

As to not pre-clearing songs being stupid/irresponsible, remember how tight television production is - there's often something like a month between a show being written and it being aired. For a show where music plays as big a part as it does as Cold Case, nailing down the rights for broadcast is the most important job. There's still a lot more money in broadcast/re-run revenue than there is in home video, so that has to be the priority.
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post #9 of 20
10/11/06 at 7:27am

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Unfortunately, during the fall, it's a pain to follow the show on CBS, because of the football overruns. Either I wait until football season ends, or just catch the repeats on TNT.
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post #10 of 20
10/11/06 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Michael Alden
Unlike the shows I desire from the 60s and 70s, you at least had the option to record it yourself when it aired.

Thanks for reminding me that we can record shows nowadays. Perhaps these threads should only permit questions or discussions about shows that one could NOT record---say, pre-1975.
I did not hear about the show until its Second Season.
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post #11 of 20
10/11/06 at 7:33am

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Originally Posted by Michael Alden
True. However anyone who really likes a current show, especially one that contains pop songs, should have the brains to record it themselves and not count on the studios to release it in the exact form that it aired. If not, then they shouldn't complain when they either get music replacements or in the case of this show, nothing.

Harsh and judgmental comment. Also foolish.
There are several great shows that I have purchased on DVD not because I did not 'have the brains to record it' but because I did not even KNOW about the show.
Try to restrain yourself guy.
How
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post #12 of 20
10/11/06 at 10:10am

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Originally Posted by Janie111
Thanks for reminding me that we can record shows nowadays. Perhaps these threads should only permit questions or discussions about shows that one could NOT record---say, pre-1975.
I did not hear about the show until its Second Season.

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Originally Posted by HowardPaul
Harsh and judgmental comment. Also foolish.
There are several great shows that I have purchased on DVD not because I did not 'have the brains to record it' but because I did not even KNOW about the show.
Try to restrain yourself guy.

yes I agree with both of you, plus, my family didn't even get a VCR until 1985, so how the hell would I, as a really young kid, know how to record shows in 1981 with the "well, I know in 2006 I'll really wanna see this show again?" especially since it'd be a few years before we even had one. Get real. So you had a VCR in 1978 and knew how to preserve things for future usage, good for you- most of us are NOT you. As a kid watching uncut season one Cosby Show episodes in 1984-1985, I had no idea that I would be deprived of seeing them uncut 20 years later. Also, at the same time, I didn't realize how much syndication cut out until the late 90's, it never crossed my mind that those USA cuts of The Facts Of Life weren't the same cuts I saw on NBC when I was six.
If people want to buy current shows, it's our prerogative. The golden age of TV may have passed, but I don't agree with those who believe that good TV ended when MTM left the airwaves.
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post #13 of 20
10/11/06 at 10:20am

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Originally Posted by Jason Seaver
What makes you sure they haven't tried? The average episode of Cold Case contains four or five songs, which means a season set will require roughly a hundred clearances. That it would be just as "easy" to negotiate rights for Cold Case as it is for Supernatural (and who says that was easy?) is by no means a given.

As to not pre-clearing songs being stupid/irresponsible, remember how tight television production is - there's often something like a month between a show being written and it being aired. For a show where music plays as big a part as it does as Cold Case, nailing down the rights for broadcast is the most important job. There's still a lot more money in broadcast/re-run revenue than there is in home video, so that has to be the priority.

well, my theory is that when Cold Case came out, TV-on-DVD was just at the very dawn of beginning to break it's "cult shows and blockbusters" niche. Warner probably figured that the show wouldn't have a DVD audience so they didn't even try. Supernatural came out two years later when TV-DVD was a norm, not a niche, so I think Warner figured that even if the show lasted eight episodes, that's eight episodes they can put out on DVD (considering how so many short-lived supernatural style shows have been released on DVD) so from the moment the pilot was filmed, they had every intention on eventually putting it out on DVD. Whereas two years earlier when Cold Case began, TV-DVD was largely Buffy, X-Files, Trek, Friends, Simpsons and HBO series, all of which are "larger than life" shows, the idea of people wanting to own Too Close For Comfort was still a little in the future.

That's just my theory, Supernatural fans got lucky with the show premiering at the right time because had it premiered 2 or 3 years earlier, it'd be stuck in music rights hell. Whereas premiering in 2005 gave the studio enough sense to go ahead and negotiate for the DVD as well as the original negotiation because they knew that it'd come out sometime to own.
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post #14 of 20
10/12/06 at 5:55am

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I still stand behind my position regarding the utter stupidity of the producers. They're doing the fans of the show a major disservice with their failure to clear music for any DVD release in advance. Plus, they may end up losing money in the long run, anyway, as they will now have to go through long litigation for future DVD music clearances.
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post #15 of 20
10/12/06 at 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Jon Martin
The producers have stated the music is so important to the show, they aren't even thinking about DVD release, as it would be way too expensive.


CBS might have something to say about that ...


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Originally Posted by Jay_B!
Supernatural fans got lucky with the show premiering at the right time because had it premiered 2 or 3 years earlier, it'd be stuck in music rights hell. Whereas premiering in 2005 gave the studio enough sense to go ahead and negotiate for the DVD as well as the original negotiation because they knew that it'd come out sometime to own.

Re: The WB, a lot of songs you hear on their shows were never intended to do anything more than sell CDs on thewb.com. The issue of "music rights" vis-a-vis The WB is more-often-than-not nothing more than a smokescreen.

Speaking with respect to MY favorite WB show, Birds of Prey, I can count the number of "critical" songs on one hand (This is out of 13 eps, mind you.) The network would just drop in these annoying alt-rock numbers willy-nilly, without rhyme or reason.
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post #16 of 20
10/12/06 at 11:27am

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Originally Posted by LizH
Re: The WB, a lot of songs you hear on their shows were never intended to do anything more than sell CDs on thewb.com. The issue of "music rights" vis-a-vis The WB is more-often-than-not nothing more than a smokescreen.

Speaking with respect to MY favorite WB show, Birds of Prey, I can count the number of "critical" songs on one hand (This is out of 13 eps, mind you.) The network would just drop in these annoying alt-rock numbers willy-nilly, without rhyme or reason.

Just curiously, have you even seen the show? We're not talking One Tree Hill which pimps present-day alt-rock/indie acts. We're talking expensive classic rock songs, we're talking "Bad Moon Rising", "Paranoid", "Don't Fear The Reaper", "Carry On Wayward Son", "Back In Black", etc... We're talking AC/DC, The Rolling Stones, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult (actually one episode revolves around them in a way), etc... Every single episode uses some sort of classic rock song, even the "previously on"'s always use something. We're talking the same music and artists that prevent shows like Wonder Years, Cold Case and WKRP In Cincinnati from coming out, NOT modern day alt-rock tracks that are hit and miss and could be replaced. If you took "Bad Moon Rising" out of the season 1 finale, it wouldn't feel the same. Same with "Bad Company" in the Skin episode.
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post #17 of 20
10/12/06 at 11:51am

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I'm telling you The WB I know.


I'm not denying what you're saying. If TPTB behind "Supernatural" are willing to fork over THAT kind of cash for such iconic music (With perhaps the possible exception of "Wayward Son" ... but that's a topic for another thread ), then it's probably there for a reason.
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post #18 of 20
12/9/06 at 11:24pm

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Still no (insider) news? It's silly of the show's makers, if they carry on including songs without thinking DVD now, three seasons down. I really want this show to come out, Kathryn Morris is such a sweetie you can't help falling for, long or short hair. This show beats the hectic "C.S.I." by a mile. Btw, my first VCR was 1983.

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post #19 of 20
12/10/06 at 4:47am

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Originally Posted by Walter C
Unfortunately, during the fall, it's a pain to follow the show on CBS, because of the football overruns. Either I wait until football season ends, or just catch the repeats on TNT.

"Football Overruns" would NOT occur if they did away with HALF of the Commercials! Watching a Game the other day the Beginning of the game went like this. Kickoff - 3 Commercials - 1 play, Penalty - 2 Commercials -2 Plays, - 2 More Commercials - Punt - 3 More commercials! That was it for me, I lost interest in the game.
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post #20 of 20
12/12/06 at 6:12am

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Originally Posted by Regulus
"Football Overruns" would NOT occur if they did away with HALF of the Commercials! Watching a Game the other day the Beginning of the game went like this. Kickoff - 3 Commercials - 1 play, Penalty - 2 Commercials -2 Plays, - 2 More Commercials - Punt - 3 More commercials! That was it for me, I lost interest in the game.

I know, it is so annoying. The kickoff being sandwiched between commerical interruptions just drives me nuts. It bothers me so much more when watching the Olympics, because not only there are so many interruptions, but those interruptions are even longer. (I can understand the business side of it, but that doesn't mean it's not annoying to this viewer).
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