Suggestions for Chat (To Ron)

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by CamiloCamacho, Apr 16, 2002.

  1. CamiloCamacho

    CamiloCamacho Stunt Coordinator

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    We have heard about the first meetings where the DVD Forum talks about a new Blu-Ray HD-DVD format.

    Well, all the sites say it's in development, and i don´t know if it's possible, but a chat with them will be awesome, and i´m certainly sure that HTF has a lot of members and ideas that will be useful to the DVD Forum and the HD-DVD specs.
     
  2. Ronald Epstein

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    If someone could send me contact information

    this may be considered.

    The only problem is that we have sort of

    stopped our LIVE CHATS due to IRC security issues.
     
  3. GregBarron

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    Ron, do you have a studio lined up for another online chat?

    If so, who and when? Thanks.

    Greg
     
  4. Ronald Epstein

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    No on-line chats for now.

    There are many reasons why we have

    decided to stop these chats. I'd hate

    to have to type the reasons yet another

    time, so let's see how far I get....

    * The IRC is unsecure. We cannot fully

    keep troublemakers out.

    * Because of the way the IRC works, members

    were bothering guests by "whispering" to

    them when we asked them not to do so.

    * No matter how many times we would tell

    people that the "YO" procedure and the way

    we pick the finalists to ask questions

    varies from computer to computer, our membership

    was getting very rude often accusing us of

    not recognizing their "YO"s or going out of

    turn.

    * Members calling out questions outside of

    turns.

    * Members bothering Parker and I with private

    messages while we are trying to Moderate the chat.

    * The day after the chat, posts showing up

    that attack the studios for not beding more

    revealing in what they said, despite the fact

    they kindly gave up their valuable time to

    attend the chat.

    In general, just a total amount of rudeness

    from individuals who just wander in the chat

    room and disrespect a uniformed procedure we

    have set up for the chat.

    We have studio people who take risks in

    attending these chats. To have members

    whispering to them, being rude, and just

    disrupting the entire procedure has gotten

    to the point that we don't feel comfortable

    doing these chats.

    We have looked into chat software that would

    allow us more control, but on top of it being

    very expensive software, it also has the

    potential of putting tremendous strain on

    our server.

    Look, this is the wild and free internet.

    You expect that you surf amongst immature

    people that have nothing better than to disrupt

    something we worked very hard to put together.
     
  5. JasenP

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    Ron,
    Maybe you could set up a pre-locked thread and e-mail our questions to you, Parker, or the other Mods. You could then relay this info to the chat guest and they could reply via e-mail and it could be posted in that thread.
    It sounds like a royal pain, I know, but I really do enjoy the chats.
    Or....
    We could submit questions to you and you could present them to the guest "interview style" You could then post the replies in a thread.
    I'm trying... [​IMG]
     
  6. Ronald Epstein

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    Jasen.

    I know you are trying and I appreciate it.

    Submitting questions and doing interviews

    is what all the other sites do. LIVE CHATS

    is what we did best.

    Right now this whole indudtry is so

    turned upside down with studios releasing

    P&S titles that it will become very difficult

    to get anyone aboard for a chat who doesn't

    want to avoid getting lynched.
     
  7. Steve Enemark

    Steve Enemark Second Unit

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    Perhaps the chat could be held in some "secret" IRC channel, and only trusted HTF members are told where, minutes before the chat begins?
     
  8. Bjorn Olav Nyberg

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    Or perhaps two chat rooms could be used. One for members, in which yo's and questions are asked, another room for visitors. The moderator would have to copy and paste questions into the visitor's room, then copy and paste answers into the member room.

    I understand it would be more overhead still involved with chats, and come to think of it, the visitors login names may not be possible to keep secret, unless it is possible to keep the "online list" hidden for a room? (I'm not really knowledgeable about IRC, so I'm guessing here) so messages directly to studio visitors may not be possible to avoid anyway...

    But at least it would keep the room for the visitors clean, and it would enable the moderators to revies questions somewhat for rudeness, also I imagine a chat transcript may be easier to create based on the comments in the visitors room.

    It won't make the job easier I guess, but maybe it will protect studio visitors better?
     
  9. Craig S

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  10. Nigel McN

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    All of this refers to vanilla IRC:
    The only way to stop people badgering the guest is for people not to know the nick of the Guest. However it is possible for the Guest to ignore incoming queries (automatically I mean), the minus side of that is that Ron/Parker would be ignored also. The other way to do with would be to make a secret chat room (invite only or key required) for the guest and Ron/Parker, then run #HTF like normal and then Ron/Parker could cut & paste the questions to the guest and then cut & paste the answers back to the audience, making sure not to include the guests secret nick: It is entirely possible to do without the audience knowing it is being done! You could merely start another session of mIRC (or client of your choice) login using a variation on the guests name, op or voice it like it was the guest and simply paste the answers to queries through that mirc session. A bit of work but doable. Or your guest could turn off private messages (so people can't whisper to them) and then use a secret channel to converse with Ron & Parker (if required).
    You can't really do what you want to do, with the flick of a switch, with vanilla flavoured irc. what you really need is different software that has more control built into it, this would probably require running a server for it.
    I have been looking at some various options, but so far all the ones I have found require money :/ ... but I'll keep looking.
    if other people want to look around, here is a couple of google searches to get you started.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=celeb...en&sa=N&tab=dw
    http://directory.google.com/Top/Comp...ers/Chat/?tc=1
     
  11. Nigel McN

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    let me summarize that waffle a little.

    you can use IRC with the guests assistance.

    or resort to some other chat software if the channel operators want/need to do everything themselves.
     
  12. David Lambert

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    As far as the cost of the chat software goes, Ron: is there any money left over from all the server donations?
    As far as the strain it would put on the server: can you be specific? Is it a problem we can solve by throwing more money at the situation, for upgrades that would relieve the strain?
    I'm sure there are some HTF members who would pay for the chats to live on. I'd certainly consider it.
    As to the rudeness to the guests, that's something that can't be helped with dollars. Sigh. I guess this is a "you takes your chances" sort of thing, and if they have nothing to "defend", then they ought to be all right. Otherwise, they get free feedback/marketing info that they can use, so they ought to be open to even rude, negative comments. They might just have to develop thicker skins. [​IMG]
     
  13. Ronald Epstein

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    David,

    I'll let Parker answer that question.

    He can tell you what he told me and it

    will sound better coming from the software

    expert.

    I'll see to it he replies here.
     
  14. Parker Clack

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    David:

    All the chat software that I have looked at so far does not allow you to use mIRC with it. It is all server side using javascript on the web page.

    What I am looking for is something similar to what we have but also allows you to moderate the chat in the sense of being able to keep people from whispering to our guest and yet for Ron and I and our guest to still be able to send private messages to each other. I want to also be able to access the chat with mIRC/Pirch as well as the web side.

    So far I haven't been able to find such a program.

    Parker
     
  15. Nigel McN

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    in Mirc
    File>Options>General>Lock>Disable>Private Chats
    ticking that stops any private messages sent to you from getting through, you don't see anything when people try to 'whisper' to you.
    your never really going to be able to do anything about rude people, or lag, both are built into the internet [​IMG]
     
  16. Ronald Epstein

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    Nigel,

    That's a good idea, but what about our

    guests, most of whom do not use MIRC to

    access our chats?

    Our guests access via webside and there is

    no protection on that end, either.
     
  17. Parker Clack

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    All the javascript programs that I have seen allow you to moderate the chat but like I said they are only available web side and not through mIRC.

    So we either have a moderated javascript chat that is inaccessible through an IRC channel or we allow access from both of them and not being able to moderate them as we want.

    That is the dilemma that I have run into.

    Parker
     
  18. Adam Tyner

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    I believe this has already been suggested, but I'll give it a shot anyway.
    What if Ron and Parker communicate with the speaker using an entirely different piece of software, copying and pasting questions and responses from one program to another? For example, Ron, Parker, and company could stay in a standard IRC chat room with the regular users and conduct business in the usual "YO" fashion. When a question is received, it can be copied and pasted into, say, an AOL Instant Messenger window and sent to the speaker on the other end. If the speaker doesn't have AOL Instant Messenger, he or she could always use AIM Express. Then, when a response is received, that could be pasted by Ron/Parker into the IRC chat room. Wash, rinse, repeat. [​IMG]
    Would that work to your satisfaction? I'd really like to see the return of live chats, even if they were handled in an off-line fashion. Though other sites have discussions with studios on occasion, none that I've seen even come close to the overall depth and quality of the HTF chats...
     
  19. Ronald Epstein

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    Adam,

    That's a hell of a lot of work for us.

    It is something that we will consider

    though if we can't get suitable chat software.

    Thanks for the suggestion
     
  20. Nigel McN

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    ah well, I guess it never occured to me in all of that, that the guest wouldn't be using mirc(or some other normal IRC client) because the other problem with the current java setup you have (or at least last time I used it) was that you were only able to be in one chatroom at a time.
     

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