Chris Lehner
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- Oct 17, 2002
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Around Noon today, 2 of Gen X's finest finally delivered my set . J/K...in all fairness, they were pretty careful with the set. I was surprised and delighted to find the box in almost perfect condition and the set reflected that; not a mark, scratch or dent to be found (had to wipe some of the "white smudge" from packing off the top of the cabinet and that was it). The delivery was as painless as my nerves allowed it to be.
Once the delivery guys were out the door, I started by hooking up my DirecTV, through standard, composite output. OTB, the set was in STANDARD mode, with a NATURAL WIDE screen. Of course the contrast was through the roof; maxed out at 30. Funny enough, I later found out that this is a selectable setting, which returns contrast to 30 and leaves other picture settings detented at 0; like Pioneer wanted to make it easy for showrooms to get this ultra-bright picture. I knocked the contrast down to 0 before starting.
I have to admit, I'd heard from other recent owners that the standard-def signals of DirecTV were not all that impressive on this set, so I didn't expect much. I didn't get it . Starting with HBO, my satellite signals looked VERY washed-out and soft. I also tried Trio, Discovery, Travel, AMC, TNT and the Food Network. TNT and AMC looked slightly better than the rest. I noticed a definite BLUE tint to the picture.
I quickly moved onto setting up the DVD player; a Pioneer Elite DV-37, set for the first time to progressive (480p) mode. Before loading AVIA, I made sure to turn all picture enhancers off. This included FLESH TONES, BLACK LVL ENHANCER, SVM (Scan Velocity Modulator); COLOR TEMP was set to Standard, PURE CINEMA could not be defaulted using component inputs, nor could the 3D Y/C or NR filters be adjusted. I also set the RLS (Relative Light Sensor) to Off.
Before going through the boring calibrations, I just had to pop a movie in and test the set OTB. I started with Jackie Brown, the Collector's Edition. This always seemed to be a bright DVD and the new transfer is great. Well, it's 2:35 : 1, so it was letterboxed when I put it in. Not having read up on burn-in fully, I opted not to test with this disc. I instead chose Toy Story 2, which of course is of reference quality and has been optimized for widescreen playback.
When I poped it in, I remembered it had THX calibration signals on it and rather than go through AVIA right away, I decided to do the "basics" with these test signals.
On my initial pass, I bumped the CONTRAST to 10 and set BLACK LEVEL to -15. After setting the Black Level, I upped the Contrast to about 18; nice and bright but still did not notice any bloom. I next set TINT to 5 and COLOR to 5 as well. I'm not sure what "absolute" Magenta and Cyan are supposed to look like, so I looked for colors that seemed "true"; for example, with the Tint too high the Magenta bar turns dark purple, too low and it gets pinkish. I also had a tough time determining when the RED started to bloom. I went high with the Color and brought it down until the Red bar seemed to "cool" and not push. Next was the Convergence test and even OTB the pattern looked pretty good. Then came Geometry and a big revelation; I had forgotten to switch my DVD from 4:3 to 16:9 :b . Holy Shit...scenes from TS2, which I had been watching intermittent with the tests, now really jumped off the screen. Even though, in theory, it may not seem it would have effected the previous settings, the OCD in me made me re-test them. I backed Contrast down to 15 (probably just a judgement rather than the aspect change), pulled Black Level down a smidgen to -16, Tint stayed at 5 but the Red bar seemed to really let me push it now. I settled the Color on 10.
I was then back at my Geometry test. My circle seemed to look most "natural" in Natural Wide, but I noticed that the outline boxes did not match up on the right and left sides of the set; the right edge of the box was flush with the edge of the set, but the left side was slightly off the edge. I switched between screen modes (Natural Wide, Cinema Wide, Zoom and Full) and Full seemed to offer the best alignment. As others have mentioned, I went to check the Vertical Position, but it is not adjustable in Natural Wide or Full.
With these basic settings, I started watching some titles. TS2 looked great; so bright and the colors were very saturated. Not overly really, but I figured a few tweaks down of the Color would give me back some sharpness. I went from 10 to 5 to 0 and things looked fine. Hell, they looked acceptable, IMO, all the way down to...is it -24?...one notch before B&W . I went back up to 5. I then put Jackie Brown back in. First thing I noticed is that, now with the DVD player's aspect ratio set correctly, no more letterbox, even though the film is 2:35 : 1. I watched the opening sequence and noticed some blooming around the titles, so I backed the Color down to 0. I also looked at Chapter 15, where they do the first money exchange (trial run). The scene is shot at the infamous (that is if you're a QT fan) Del Amo shopping center and there is a tremendous amount of color. The scene looked good. Then Monsters, Inc. Again, like TS2, and as is probably likely with most digital, animated transfers, the picture was bright, colorful and sharp. I noticed Scully's "magenta" patches more than in the past and in fact was concerned about correct Hue (Tint), but left it alone for now. I then put in Spider Man. Well, back to reality. The picture still looked good of course, but not like TS2 or Monsters. I was really aware of Flesh Tones for the first time and decided to check a few new controls.
I switched between the STD, REF FILM, GAME and USER picture modes. I noticed that REF FILM REALLY smoothes out the image, as far as scan lines, but is on the "yellow" side. I noticed that it simply set all levels back to 0, except SHARPNESS, which I had yet to test; it was maxed "in" at -30. I decided to set my levels back, as far as Contrast, Black, Color and Tint and play with the Sharpness some. I settled down at -10. I then also experimented with COLOR TEMP for the first time. I liked FILM best.
I then moved onto Shrek. I was expecting to see the same eye-popping picture I'd gotten with TS2 and Monsters, but I was surprised. Shrek seemed a little "soft" and especially in the scene where Shrek and Donkey are visiting Tuloc (sp), the cornfield in the background seems almost "fake". Maybe the picture is so good it is revealing "flaws" in the animation.
In any case, those are my initial impressions. I still have a lot of tweaking to do. Not only the AVIA settings tonight (with the correct light), but I have to tweak my DVD player for YNR (Brightness Noise Reduction), CNR (Color), MNR (the infamous Mosquito Noise), BNR (Block Noise); Sharpness for High and Mid frequencies, Detail, White and Black Levels, Black Setup (for "floating" Black), Hue, Chroma Level and Chroma Delay. Shew, and I haven't even done a 64-point convergence yet . BTW, Elite DVD owners, perhaps we can share some tips on these tweaks and levels, as they would seem to effect the picture as much, if not more, than the monitor settings.
Thanks for hanging in there 533 owners. More tomorrow, or perhaps Thursday, if I get mesmerized watching movies .
Chris
Once the delivery guys were out the door, I started by hooking up my DirecTV, through standard, composite output. OTB, the set was in STANDARD mode, with a NATURAL WIDE screen. Of course the contrast was through the roof; maxed out at 30. Funny enough, I later found out that this is a selectable setting, which returns contrast to 30 and leaves other picture settings detented at 0; like Pioneer wanted to make it easy for showrooms to get this ultra-bright picture. I knocked the contrast down to 0 before starting.
I have to admit, I'd heard from other recent owners that the standard-def signals of DirecTV were not all that impressive on this set, so I didn't expect much. I didn't get it . Starting with HBO, my satellite signals looked VERY washed-out and soft. I also tried Trio, Discovery, Travel, AMC, TNT and the Food Network. TNT and AMC looked slightly better than the rest. I noticed a definite BLUE tint to the picture.
I quickly moved onto setting up the DVD player; a Pioneer Elite DV-37, set for the first time to progressive (480p) mode. Before loading AVIA, I made sure to turn all picture enhancers off. This included FLESH TONES, BLACK LVL ENHANCER, SVM (Scan Velocity Modulator); COLOR TEMP was set to Standard, PURE CINEMA could not be defaulted using component inputs, nor could the 3D Y/C or NR filters be adjusted. I also set the RLS (Relative Light Sensor) to Off.
Before going through the boring calibrations, I just had to pop a movie in and test the set OTB. I started with Jackie Brown, the Collector's Edition. This always seemed to be a bright DVD and the new transfer is great. Well, it's 2:35 : 1, so it was letterboxed when I put it in. Not having read up on burn-in fully, I opted not to test with this disc. I instead chose Toy Story 2, which of course is of reference quality and has been optimized for widescreen playback.
When I poped it in, I remembered it had THX calibration signals on it and rather than go through AVIA right away, I decided to do the "basics" with these test signals.
On my initial pass, I bumped the CONTRAST to 10 and set BLACK LEVEL to -15. After setting the Black Level, I upped the Contrast to about 18; nice and bright but still did not notice any bloom. I next set TINT to 5 and COLOR to 5 as well. I'm not sure what "absolute" Magenta and Cyan are supposed to look like, so I looked for colors that seemed "true"; for example, with the Tint too high the Magenta bar turns dark purple, too low and it gets pinkish. I also had a tough time determining when the RED started to bloom. I went high with the Color and brought it down until the Red bar seemed to "cool" and not push. Next was the Convergence test and even OTB the pattern looked pretty good. Then came Geometry and a big revelation; I had forgotten to switch my DVD from 4:3 to 16:9 :b . Holy Shit...scenes from TS2, which I had been watching intermittent with the tests, now really jumped off the screen. Even though, in theory, it may not seem it would have effected the previous settings, the OCD in me made me re-test them. I backed Contrast down to 15 (probably just a judgement rather than the aspect change), pulled Black Level down a smidgen to -16, Tint stayed at 5 but the Red bar seemed to really let me push it now. I settled the Color on 10.
I was then back at my Geometry test. My circle seemed to look most "natural" in Natural Wide, but I noticed that the outline boxes did not match up on the right and left sides of the set; the right edge of the box was flush with the edge of the set, but the left side was slightly off the edge. I switched between screen modes (Natural Wide, Cinema Wide, Zoom and Full) and Full seemed to offer the best alignment. As others have mentioned, I went to check the Vertical Position, but it is not adjustable in Natural Wide or Full.
With these basic settings, I started watching some titles. TS2 looked great; so bright and the colors were very saturated. Not overly really, but I figured a few tweaks down of the Color would give me back some sharpness. I went from 10 to 5 to 0 and things looked fine. Hell, they looked acceptable, IMO, all the way down to...is it -24?...one notch before B&W . I went back up to 5. I then put Jackie Brown back in. First thing I noticed is that, now with the DVD player's aspect ratio set correctly, no more letterbox, even though the film is 2:35 : 1. I watched the opening sequence and noticed some blooming around the titles, so I backed the Color down to 0. I also looked at Chapter 15, where they do the first money exchange (trial run). The scene is shot at the infamous (that is if you're a QT fan) Del Amo shopping center and there is a tremendous amount of color. The scene looked good. Then Monsters, Inc. Again, like TS2, and as is probably likely with most digital, animated transfers, the picture was bright, colorful and sharp. I noticed Scully's "magenta" patches more than in the past and in fact was concerned about correct Hue (Tint), but left it alone for now. I then put in Spider Man. Well, back to reality. The picture still looked good of course, but not like TS2 or Monsters. I was really aware of Flesh Tones for the first time and decided to check a few new controls.
I switched between the STD, REF FILM, GAME and USER picture modes. I noticed that REF FILM REALLY smoothes out the image, as far as scan lines, but is on the "yellow" side. I noticed that it simply set all levels back to 0, except SHARPNESS, which I had yet to test; it was maxed "in" at -30. I decided to set my levels back, as far as Contrast, Black, Color and Tint and play with the Sharpness some. I settled down at -10. I then also experimented with COLOR TEMP for the first time. I liked FILM best.
I then moved onto Shrek. I was expecting to see the same eye-popping picture I'd gotten with TS2 and Monsters, but I was surprised. Shrek seemed a little "soft" and especially in the scene where Shrek and Donkey are visiting Tuloc (sp), the cornfield in the background seems almost "fake". Maybe the picture is so good it is revealing "flaws" in the animation.
In any case, those are my initial impressions. I still have a lot of tweaking to do. Not only the AVIA settings tonight (with the correct light), but I have to tweak my DVD player for YNR (Brightness Noise Reduction), CNR (Color), MNR (the infamous Mosquito Noise), BNR (Block Noise); Sharpness for High and Mid frequencies, Detail, White and Black Levels, Black Setup (for "floating" Black), Hue, Chroma Level and Chroma Delay. Shew, and I haven't even done a 64-point convergence yet . BTW, Elite DVD owners, perhaps we can share some tips on these tweaks and levels, as they would seem to effect the picture as much, if not more, than the monitor settings.
Thanks for hanging in there 533 owners. More tomorrow, or perhaps Thursday, if I get mesmerized watching movies .
Chris