One cable to rule them all: Light Peak

Discussion in 'Apple' started by Sam Posten, Sep 27, 2009.

  1. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Hang on kids, things are about to get real interesting in an area you weren't expecting it to be: cables!
    http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/26/exclusive-apple-dictated-light-peak-creation-to-intel-could-be/#continued
     
  2. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Maybe not so much on the Apple origin:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10363956-64.html
     
  3. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    http://www.powerpage.org/2009/09/30/intel-working-on-apples-light-peak-brainchild-to-eventually-replace-multiple-connection-cables/
     
  4. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Soooo.... Light Peak premieres in new MacBook Pros Thursday and in ipad2 next weak?
    GiggidyX2
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-20034900-64.html
     
  5. Dennis*G

    Dennis*G Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2003
    Messages:
    524
    Likes Received:
    0
    It will be interesting to see what devices get announced at launch also. A nice lightpeak thumbdrive or external harddrive enclosure would be nice.
     
  6. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Lee Summit, Missouri
    Real Name:
    Matt
    Device adoption will be interesting. If the specs being leaked are right, then Apple's new Macbooks will have it's implimentation of Lightpeak but no USB3, only USB2. What makes this interesting is that USB3 has a pretty wide head start, with USB3 drives, video adapters and SSDs already on the market. Because USB3 and eSATA can share a port design, it's adoption in the PC laptop market has really come along. Lightpeak is Intel's baby, and so with Intel and Apple, it will certainly have a big push behind it. The question is, do we end up with another FireWire Vs. USB show down of sorts.

    Originally there was some thought that LightPeak would be a single native interconnect, replacing SATA, Video, USB, Firewire, etc. But that idea has went away. Intel has come out and said that Lightpeak will not be the video standard, and instead has become big in supporting DisplayPort for that. This is largely because getting another tech through a governing body for data protection is a bitch.

    But as an interconnect, LightPeak has a lot of options. It's 10Gb native data connection through standard Cat6 makes for a good way to change the way home networks, etc. work. And it's hub and spoke method is very user friendly.

    This is going to be very interesting because it's a great technology. We'll have to see what vendors line up to get behind it. Because while the paper technology is great, if not enough people end up supporting it (See: firewire) it never matures.

    EDIT: I've seen the stats floating around and they have to be wrong. Someone has to have photoshopped this. If it's an i5/2.13G, 320GB HDD then outside of Lightpeak there are no real upgrades here, in fact, using Intel HD3000 video is not using anything remotely "new", especially when the unit won't have an HDMI out, and Lightpeak, which replaces Displayport in the graphic won't do full DP1.2 compliance because it doesn't have enough bandwidth. Between that and them listing an 8X DVDRW as the optical? I realize Apple may still oppose bluray, but you can't put out a machine with the oldest optical technology still on the market, if you're going to stick with DVDRW, you know there are floating opticals at triple that performance in competitor laptops..
     
  7. Michael_K_Sr

    Michael_K_Sr Screenwriter

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2005
    Messages:
    1,358
    Likes Received:
    26
    Location:
    Chicago 'burbs
    Real Name:
    MichaelK
    Give me an MBP with no optical drive whatsoever (I'll gladly take a higher capacity battery in the space) and I would be quite happy. Those specs listed above are attached to the 13-inch MBP, which still is using Core2 Duos instead if the i Series processors.
     
  8. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Lee Summit, Missouri
    Real Name:
    Matt
    Correct. If I'm right this is a Sandy Bridge based laptop. That will be interesting since Intel had to recall all of their 1st generation boards, so this is a good second bite at the apple (no pun intended). The error in Sandy Bridge only impacted the older SATA ports and shouldn't be relevent here.

    I'm still pondering this because I know the wife will want one. But going from a Geforce 320M to an Intel HD3000 gains you nothing and loses you a step (about 30-40% of a step in newer games) in 3d, which may or may not matter.. it may get you some battery life, though, which might be the point. I think there just aren't enough details. The 15" one should be interesting.
     
  9. Ted Todorov

    Ted Todorov Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2000
    Messages:
    2,956
    Likes Received:
    22
    Quote:

    I don't understand why you'd have Thunderbolt on the iPad. Video out: Airplay (they just need to add Airplay input support to Mac OS X so it wouldn't require an AppleTV). Move more of the synch to WiFi, but keep the wired option for large media files. What else do you need that would require Thunderbolt? You are never going to be hanging disc drives off the iPad.
     
  10. Ted Todorov

    Ted Todorov Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2000
    Messages:
    2,956
    Likes Received:
    22
    The one thing that excites me is the possibility of long cable runs (optical version) -- however, these things seem to stay theoretical -- see: Display Port.
    Daisy chaining is the number one reason we want Thunderbolt to strike USB dead.
     
  11. DaveF

    DaveF Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2001
    Messages:
    17,388
    Likes Received:
    1,342
    Location:
    One Loudoun, Ashburn, VA
    Real Name:
    David Fischer
    Superfast syncing? Syncing my iPhone when I've added half a season of TV shows takes 15 - 30 minutes. Even a normal sync, with some photos and new podcasts takes a couple minutes to work through. Assuming its bandwidth limited and LP can drop it to a few seconds, life is nicer :)

    Better industrial design? The 30-pin connector is pretty big. Replace that with a smaller, USB-style connector and you've more space to work with in designing the devices. It also allows for shrinking the device. The current Shuffle is limited by the connector, not the actual iPod hardware, I understand.
     
  12. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Lee Summit, Missouri
    Real Name:
    Matt
    I would be shocked to see the iPod/iPad go to any sort of Litepeak exclusive connector, because you'd make it incompatible with every older mac and every PC. LightPeak would require a SB or a 16 lane PCI-E connector, and there aren't any shipping on the PC side, and it wouldn't be an option for older macs. So, while the idea of syncing faster sounds interesting, unless the iPad would have two docking ports, it won't happen. and USB through a LightPeak adapter would still be limited by USB spec, which since it's a direct device would still be USB2, or just as fast as it is now.
     
  13. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    This video gives a lot of interesting possibilities, and it makes me think that Lightpeak exclusive connector's arent that far off because of easy adaptability to USB via inexpensive docking kits.
    http://www.9to5mac.com/53459/a-good-demonstration-of-light-peakthunderbolt

    Also, food for thought, it will be trivially easy to take Bluray video off a lightpeak equipped device (PC etc) and import it for viewing on a Lightpeak Mac.

    Also:
    http://hothardware.com/News/Intel-Officially-Announces-Thunderbolt-Technology-Formerly-Codenamed-Light-Peak/

    Liveblog in 10 minutes:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-20035571-76.html


    http://www.intel.com/technology/io/thunderbolt/index.htm
     
  14. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Havent read the liveblog notes yet but I saw this:
    http://www.fastcompany.com/1731357/intel-apple-thunderbolt-replace-all-wires-on-your-desk
     
  15. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Livestream tidbits



    Cool stuff
     
  16. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    Ars has all the details.

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/02/thunderbolt-smokes-usb-firewire-with-10gbps-throughput.ars

    Engadget has a few tidbits too,

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/intel-thunderbolt-a-closer-look/
     
  17. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Lee Summit, Missouri
    Real Name:
    Matt
    Intel has now said (see Sam's other post) that it's a 3 Meter cable length. So, not the length you may have been looking for.
    Exciting tech, though. I do want to say to those that think this will make transferring to an iPod or iPad faster, it won't. The limiting factor there isn't the speed of the connector; USB2 can write as fast as the slower RAM based technology in them, and they have a USB2 host controller so it won't help there either, but even if they had upgraded their connector, you'd have to go to a more SSD ready format for data to notice the speed improvement.
     
  18. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    This is dumb:
    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/02/24/intel_details_thunderbolt_as_exclusive_to_apple_until_2012.html
     
  19. Sam Posten

    Sam Posten Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 1997
    Messages:
    20,846
    Likes Received:
    1,874
    Location:
    Aberdeen, MD & Navesink, NJ
    Real Name:
    Sam Posten
    What you need to know:
    http://www.macworld.com/article/158145/2011/02/thunderbolt_what_you_need_to_know.html?lsrc=twt_macworld
     
  20. mattCR

    mattCR Executive Producer
    Reviewer

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2005
    Messages:
    10,513
    Likes Received:
    385
    Location:
    Lee Summit, Missouri
    Real Name:
    Matt
    Yep. This guarantees that it stays almost dead. If you're developing periphials, do you develop them for something with an installed base that includes only brand new macs, or an installed base of every AMD PC in the last year and a half (USB3) or almost every PC and Mac since 2003 (USB2).
    I get it, Lightpeak (Thunderbolt) can be used as a breakout to go to all of those other things. Which is cool. But there is no inherent advantage in that at all if the only thing you have to talk to is yourself.

    Intel now says there is NO exclusive agreement, they just don't have anyone else developing a board with it yet on the PC side, though they are free to do so.

    http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/24/intel-refutes-apple-exclusivity-for-thunderbolt-i-o-lacie-and-p/
     

Share This Page