I've got to avoid HTF's After Hours (for health reasons)

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Peter Kim, Mar 7, 2002.

  1. Peter Kim

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    Although 2 of my favorite forums are Software and Movies, my time spent here in After Hours can be characterized as thoroughly enjoyable and surprisingly, educational. However, lately my visits have been fraught with peril - I get so incensed by reading some of the posts that I can feel my blood pressure zoom.

    I will be the first to admit that I am guilty by complicity - I was the one who started the "Woman bites Nipple" thread. However, David Lawson's recently closed thread, "Maybe we've just redefined "inhumanity" here..." epitomizes my sentiments - I hate stupidity.

    (My sincere apologies to Jack Briggs - I was unable to get in under the wire to voice/vent my opinions on David's topic. I am not trying to be subversive by trying to resuscitate a controversial topic. I hope any discussion on the death penalty and other politically charged cause celebre's remain muted and absent from this thread.)

    My point...what the hell happened to respect for life? In the woman bites nipple and hit-and-run story, the two monsters central to the stories seem to be completely devoid of common sense, respect for others, and intelligence.

    Case in point -
     
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    I see a padlock in this threads future.
    Peace Out~[​IMG]
     
  3. Peter Kim

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    Perhaps I should tighten up my point to reflect the subject line and spirit of this thread.
    What are the threads that rile you up the most (not at the poster but the subject contained within - although NathanP might be the exception [​IMG]).
    For me, it's the aforementioned threads that discuss bizarre, current topics or customer-service-from-hell threads. Probably one and the same.
    Whenever I see someone post something along those lines, I invariably enter, at my own risk. I know I'm in for a wild ride.
     
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    No offense to anyone who posted in my thread, but I knew its hours were numbered as soon as the death penalty was brought up, which was immediately.

    I'm deeply disturbed by the fact that incidents like the hit-and-run can occur in this country despite being in the immediate wake of a national tragedy. We have literally millions of examples of charity and responsibility to draw from since September 11. Have we forgotten so soon, or did we never learn from it in the first place?
     
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    Sorry for the continuation, I had to relinquish the PC for a second-

    That nipple story troubles me a little bit, but only to the extent that the perpetrator of the crime probably sees no wrong in what she's done.

    But, what about the victim? Why did she stand for this? Why would she stay so long? As a VERY independent-minded person, I can't fathom putting up with crap like that.

    The hit-and-run(away with the victim still attached) story is one that utterly bewilders me. That lady will get hers, somehow, someday. I very much believe in a sort-of karmic payback. It'll come around, eventually.

    But overall, Hakuna Matata, Peter. Why worry about things you absolutely cannot control? Conduct yourself in a manner you deem acceptable, impart this thinking on those around you, as much as you can, and live your life. In spite of that, there will still be the Osamas of the world. And, in spite of his best efforts, there will still be people like us in the world.

    Todd
     
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    As long as you guys can steer clear of political hot-button topics, you can continue to vent your outrage at social injustices here. But be careful and, above all, civil. Otherwise, well, you know. ...
     
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    Peter, your outrage is understandable, but it's about keeping government "honest" and not allowing it to railroad the innocent into prisons. What's the saying? Better that 100 guilty men go free than have one innocent man go to prison to serve time for a crime they did not commit.

    It's about making the government prove its case to enforce the laws of the land. It's about not trampling the rights of Americans without due process.

    I could go on, but I won't because this forum is not really suited for such topics. It would behoove others to not follow up too fervently because this thread will get closed down if it spirals into broadsided remarks of defense lawyers, who are just doing their jobs, with some being very skilled at their occupation.
     
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    There is an ancient Chinese saying:

    "Life is cheap, flesh plentiful."

    It took millions of years for humans to evolve to this state...how many more hundreds of thousands of years do you think it will take before the injustices of humanity are a distant memory, never to be repeated again?

    Choose one: Face extinction or change human nature through science.

    The only novel I know that so very closely parallels our current predicament, is "Chung Kuo: The Middle Kingdom", by David Wingrove. A finer book on the human condition has never been as well-written as this one...
     
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  12. Peter Kim

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    (I should've placed a winky smile in the subject of this thread. Although I get distressed by what I perceive as injustice, stupidity, and crimes against humanity, usually my mind & soul become exorcised of these demons by spending time with my wife and son, having a properly chilled Guinness, and watching a damn fine movie.)
    However, the story originally linked with David Lawson's thread only gets worse. Much worse:
    http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/03/08/hi....ap/index.html
     
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    There are 2 ways to look at this problem:

    Macro-wise - how crimes impact society.

    Micro-wise - how crimes impact you on a personal level.

    The problem arises when you apply micro-principles to macro-problems.

    Until you are found "guilty" by the judge or a jury of your peers, you are entitled to the best defense you can afford. You are "innocent" until proven "guilty". That's the system we have. To fix the system on a macro-level, you have to find a way to work within the system to make the changes. The problem is that there are so many cooks in the kitchen, change is very hard to make in a short period of time, and in the meantime, it will allow the guilty go free.

    Life is neither fair or impartial. But given all of the shortcoming of "the system" it's still the best we've got, and the only way to not let it control your life/anger, is to be as constructive as possible and not tear down the foundation on which laws were created from.
     
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    Remember when your mom told you: "Always tell the truth, it's best in the long run". What ever happened to the concept of being man (or woman) enough to stand up and admit you did something wrong, and take the consequences?

    I have no problem with defendants having the best defense attorney they can afford. I do have a problem with defendants and attorneys telling lies in court. IMO, if a person pleads innocent, denying responsibility, and is then convicted, the punishment should be doubled. And lawyers that lie in court should get to share the cell with their client. As it is now, lying or pleading insanity is the best defense.
     
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    In an ideal world, that'd be great. We don't live in that world. And that is the last comment from me in this thread. [​IMG] Have a good weekend, all. And don't let injustice in the world turn your outlook on life in a bitter manner.
     
  16. Peter Kim

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    'Have a good weekend', Patrick? Is there any other kind? [​IMG]
    Have a nice weekend, too, Patrick. Although given your outlook on life, I don't think that's too difficult. Ultimately, your approach as stated in your last line is a mantra we should all hope to adopt.
     
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    Ah, but Julian-

    One could argue that you are, in fact, applying micro-principles to MICRO-problems. They are micro- in the sense that they happen to you, and you can affect the outcome.

    Which, of course, is what everyone should be doing. But, individually speaking, it happens on a micro, not macro, scale.
     
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