Criterion ready to release IT’S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD

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How Would you want Criterion to handle MAD WORLD?

  1. I would like to see *everything* that was included on the Laserdisc release even if it does not matc

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  2. The film is too long already. Would only want to see those scenes intended for the original RoadSho

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  3. All I want is the overture and exit music. Don't need all those extra scenes added

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  1. Ethan Riley

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    An extra I'd like to have is the episode of Jackie Gleason where he interviewed the cast. Unlikely, but...
     
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    The above link was not found????
     
  3. cadavra

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    Jaysus, it's taken me almost a week to read this darn thread!

    First, as Billy Wilder famously said, do you want it good or do you want it Tuesday? Everyone just assumed it was going to be in November. Chill out, people.

    Second, it was normal for roadshows to be cut down in order to squeeze in a third show a day. BEN-HUR, SPARTACUS, LAWRENCE OF ARABIA and THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD, to name four, all lost footage during their initial runs. It was so common, in fact, that when GWTW was reissued in the '60s, the ads made a point of saying, "Every Scene Intact!"

    Now, UA was gonna shorten the film regardless of what Kramer felt. So if you're Stanley, do you hold your breath until you turn blue and let some hack mutilate your movie, or do you do it yourself to try and preserve the overall integrity of the film? And of course he said he approved the shorter cut. He would've been an idiot to speak out against it, and Stanley Kramer was no idiot. So just because he approved the shorter version doesn't mean he was happy about it.

    Finally, there's still one living actor nobody's mentioned: Nick Georgiade, of "The Untouchables," who played the second cop at the crash site. He's well and happy, living in Las Vegas.

    Mike S.
     
  4. Ronald Epstein

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    Mike,

    So glad you are caught up in this thread.

    I wanted to thank you for your insight, understanding and this quote:
    Very well put.

    I believe the longer it takes Criterion to release this to Blu-ray, the better.

    The last thing anyone wants is a rushed job where there was no opportunity
    to do things right the first time.

    This could be the last opportunity to ever get this movie out on optical disc
    in a Roadshow and/or Kitchen Sink version.

    Get it done right. Get every bit of material you could possibly include. There
    should be no regrets after the disc is released.
     
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    Thing is, Joe, their newsletter clues do not necessarily indicate that a certain movie is going to be released within a month or two, only that it's coming eventually. We had the clue for ON THE WATERFRONT a number of months before the Blu showed up.
     
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    Nice post. I agree that the cut we now have is better. It is tighter (and with comedy, this can make all the difference) and less exhausting. I owned the extended laser disc (which does not represent any theatrical edition), and found that the timing lagged in numerous places. The argument the cast has on the desert highway about how shares should be divided was even longer than the overlong version we have now. To have both an extended theatrical cut plus the current cut via seamless branching would seem a good compromise.

    I agree with you about Jonathan Winters. I grew up watching/listening to this man, and there were few as inventive or funny. I have most of his albums, and listen to them regularly. This screen performance, and that in THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING, are gems.
     
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    That link, Sumner, had nothing to do with the Gleason interview of the IAMMMMW cast. Instead, it is a link in Ethan's signature.

    Note to Ethan: The link is not working. :D
     
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    An awful lot of suppositions on your part none of which are true, BTW. Mr. Kramer made his cuts during the four-week run of the long version - after watching the film several times with audiences. HE made the cuts - he was not forced to make the cuts - he made the cuts because he felt the film need tightening based on the audience reaction (not one audience, many). You are basically improvising scenarios and one would have to ask why? Those of us who know the family know that Mr. Kramer was happy with his final version and that's all you need to know. Whether fifty years later he'd like the original road show cut out is anyone's guess, but do not pose theories as fact because that does no one any good.
     
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    Not in MY life they don't! Au contraire.
     
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    But he doesn't seem to know anything about this alleged Criterion version.
     
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    I know Jerry Lewis had the cast on his short-lived Saturday night ABC variety show. When did Jackie Gleason? Are you sure you're not confusing Jerry with Jackie? (I saw the Jerry show and I remember Jerry pretending to be hurt he wasn't in the movie ...)

    About Jonathan Winters. He was good in the movie, of course ... everyone was. But why do people always carry on so much about him? Every time someone mentions him it's to say how hilarious he was ... such a genius ... the funniest person who ever lived ... I don't get it.
     
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    I mentioned him because he recently transitioned to the Mad World in heaven. The entire cast were all ON! I love how Uncle Milty is almost always the last to leave a scene.
     
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    I agree with Ron...I'd rather have Criterion do this newer version properly and right for all of us instead of rushing the hell out of it just to get it released to coincide with the 50th anniversary of this film. An elongated/extended version of the film would be terrific but again, we shall see what happens when an announcement eventually gets made of this title, whether it's next month or in October or sometime next year.
     
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    Are there any copies of the original script out there??
     
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    Just because he has not said anything doesn't mean he doesn't know anything. He is a gentleman and will only speak when it's time. This I have learned and respect.
     
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    Ever since the LD came out, the short cut ceased to have any relevance for me. I've only watched the LD cut of that since then because I take the view that once a more coherent cut emerges in an official version, that supplants any previous version that is narratively inferior for my viewing purposes.

    Unlike a certain other title, which I would only get if all material from its LD version were presented, this movie I am not as passionate about to the same degree to insist 100% all of the LD material *within* the film or else, though it would be my first preference and would, I feel, be fair to those who have utilized that version as their viewing choice for lo these many years to see that experience duplicated, and that way the presence of new material not present at the time of the LD release can be enjoyed and appreciated even more (the police calls are something I've read about and would love to experience within the film for the first time).

    I'll keep watching and waiting to see what happens and look forward to hearing the announcement when it comes.
     
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    You're assuming I don't know the family. I do. You're assuming I wasn't around in 1963 when the reports came out that the film was being shortened. I was. You're assuming I don't know much about how the business works. I've been in it for 40 years, almost all of it in the world of library/catalog/classic films. If I speculate, I will indicate as such.

    Mike S.
     
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    I do not understand why post 727 was made. I did not state that the link had nothing to do with the Gleason interview of the IAMMMMW cast. All I stated was "The above link was not found???? and then you repeat basically what I did. It looks like a wasted post.
     
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    Oh, THAT Cadavra :) Normally I'd just bow to your knowledge, but I was around in 1963, too, I've been in the business for over 40 years, too, and I know the family, too and with all dure respect If neither of us is speculating, it's interesting that the stories can be different? So, I'm just curious - the family has told you specifically that Mr. Kramer was forced to shorten the film during the first four weeks of the run, specifically so the Dome could get in more showings (which they couldn't and didn't to the best of my knowledge, although I can't say I'm sure on that one, although logic would tell you that shaving twenty minutes wouldn't make an iota of difference about an extra showing a day at the Dome during that time)? Because that flies pretty much in the face of what I've heard and been told. But, stranger things have happened.
     
  20. Ethan Riley

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    Never mind about that link. It was a link to an old forum thread, which was probably deleted years ago. I didn't even realize it was in my signature.
     
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