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the people who "survived" are the actually the ones who disappeared.
Huh?
the people who "survived" are the actually the ones who disappeared.
I chalked that up to maybe they 100% made up a fake shot for the trailer. You never know though.
I chalked that up to maybe they 100% made up a fake shot for the trailer.
both a standout out of the genre, and a transitional demarcation for the genre.
The movie begins in media res, shortly after the mid-credits scene of Thor: Ragnarok. Thanos has acquired the Power Stone that was left in the protection of the Nova Corps at the end of the first Guardians of the Galaxy. He conquered Xandar, and decimated the surviving population.
The Asgardians were evacuated on a massive ship stolen from Sakaar. I'm not sure whether that ship has the same jump technology as the smaller vessels in the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. Part of me thinks it doesn't, because otherwise they'd have already reached Earth. Given that, it's possible that quite a bit of time went by between the pre-credits ending of Thor: Ragnarok and the mid-credits scene.When Thor tells the Guardians this, how is it that he knows that information, but they don't? We saw Thor have this big adventure in Ragnarok, and then we see the ship attacked in the beginning of this film, and as you noted, those things are just moments apart. So, did Thanos do a long monologue about how he got the Power Stone when he invaded the Asgardian ship? I don't see any other way for Thor to have obtained that information in the momentary time span between Ragnarok and Infinity War. Thor certainly doesn't have any idea about the Xandar attack during Ragnarok, but that's when it must have happened.
On the other hand, the Guardians are pretty self-absorbed and frequently operating well off the beaten path. Given that only a week had gone by, I can buy that they hadn't heard anything. I can also buy that the news that Thanos's genocide of half the universe is imminent has a way of focusing their attention on the matter at hand -- especially because Gamora and Drax have such personal reasons for wanting Thanos dead.Also, more to the point...you'd think word of Xandar falling would have reached the Guardians, because they're the heroes of Xandar. What have they been doing that they didn't hear about this earlier? It seems weird that they don't take this news harder, since it completely undoes their first movie.
I do agree with this. It needed to be a lot clearer that Thanos let half of the Asgardians go. And as arguably the only one of Thor's top lieutenants who present at the end of Ragnarok but not present for Thanos's slaughter, it makes sense that she'd be the one to lead them away.I'm going to put the following in spoiler brackets just to be safe for anyone who is sensitive, but since the information came from Marvel, I don't think it really is one.Also, Marvel has confirmed by way of issuing her character poster in color that Valkyrie from Ragnarok is alive and survived Thanos' massacre on the ship. But that information should have come from the movie Infinity War itself, rather than from a poster for its follow-up. It could have been as easy as Thanos saying, "Be grateful to me that I let Valkyrie [and any others that might have been with her] go." One line of dialogue wouldn't have added to the running time in any substantial way. It would have made her re-introduction into Endgame cleaner. (I assume she must be in there, or else she wouldn't have gotten a poster.)
On the other hand, the Guardians are pretty self-absorbed and frequently operating well off the beaten path. Given that only a week had gone by, I can buy that they hadn't heard anything.
This leads to one of the admittedly very minor quibbles I have with the movie. I agree with the reasoning that we didn't need to see Thanos acquire the Power Stone; since we knew where it was, and since none of our main characters are currently there, it was easy for them to just say he already got it. That's all fine.
But it bothers me a bit later on when the Guardians are introduced. These are the heroes who are known all over the galaxy for saving Xandar in their first film. Thanos' victory at Xandar essentially undoes the Guardians' victory from the first film, since the population was still ravaged; it was just by Thanos instead of Ronan, and delayed by a few years. When Thor tells the Guardians this, how is it that he knows that information, but they don't? We saw Thor have this big adventure in Ragnarok, and then we see the ship attacked in the beginning of this film, and as you noted, those things are just moments apart. So, did Thanos do a long monologue about how he got the Power Stone when he invaded the Asgardian ship? I don't see any other way for Thor to have obtained that information in the momentary time span between Ragnarok and Infinity War. Thor certainly doesn't have any idea about the Xandar attack during Ragnarok, but that's when it must have happened.
Also, more to the point...you'd think word of Xandar falling would have reached the Guardians, because they're the heroes of Xandar. What have they been doing that they didn't hear about this earlier? It seems weird that they don't take this news harder, since it completely undoes their first movie.
He is asking the Wakandans to harbor the Mind Stone when he knows Thanos is coming, in order to attempt to save his friend's life. Once Thanos's children arrived on the perimeter of the Wakandan dome, the math changed. Cap was now balancing the certainty that his friend would die against the certainty that thousands of Wakandans would die. At that point, the only smart tactical move would have been to destroy the Mind Stone immediately, so that Thanos's children would not be incentivized to attack. The decision to prioritize Vision's life over the lives of the Wakandans rubbed me the wrong way when I first saw the movie, and it rubs me the wrong way now. In order for this Wakandan battle to work, they needed a better reason for why they couldn't destroy the Mind Stone right away.
I don't see it so much as a plot hole or a writer's contrivance so much as just a reflection of the humanity of Wanda (and Cap too) that it wasn't that simple a matter of them.
I just recently rewatched Danny Boyle's 2007 film "Sunshine" and Chris Evans has a key role in it as a very pragmatic engineer on the astronaut team who makes a speech about how literally none of their lives have any value in the context of their mission needing to succeed in order to save the entire human race and all life on earth. It's quite a contrast from his performance and conclusions in the Cap role. My own thought process tends to be more like that of the Evans character in Sunshine - that any individual concern is meaningless and unimportant in the face of a species-wide event. But I'm not the one that has to execute someone else in that scenario.
I think on some level it's also easier for me to give it a pass because once Thanos gets the time stone, all bets are off, because he can go back and do it all as many times as it takes to get what he wants. So even if Wanda had destroyed the mind stone right then and there at the Avengers headquarters, before Thanos even arrived on earth - Thanos still could have used the time stone to undo that destruction and get what he wanted. There was no scenario where a time stone-wielding Thanos doesn't get the rest of the stones. And given the power that Thanos had already amassed, there was no realistic scenario where he didn't get the time stone either. Even if Tony and Quill and the rest had gotten the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand, I don't see that being the end of the problem. He can easily overpower them even without the stones; he would have gotten it back. Thanos was too powerful and too far along the path to be stopped.
So on the one hand, I think Cap is being unrealistically and unreasonably stubborn, but on the other hand, I don't think it really matters how he reacted because I don't think anything could have changed the end result.
The only person who might have had the power to change the pre-snap outcome would have been Thor if he had gone for the head. I wonder if that'll actually be a plot point in Endgame, Thor at least berating himself or being chastised by others for not taking the kill shot.
I think if that had been emphasized more, it would have played better for me. You're absolutely right that Wanda's the only one who could get the job done, and I'd buy that she would be so focused on saving Vision that she wouldn't care about the larger picture. But I think someone needed to make the argument that the many were being sacrificed for the one.But it wasn’t Cap’s call to make, or Vision’s. It was Wanda’s. She was the only one who could destroy the Mind Stone and it required her to execute the person she loved to do so. That wasn’t happening just because Cap told her it was the safest call, or because Vision says he’s ok with it and asks her to do it.
This definitely negates Wanda/Cap's culpability in risking the lives of literally half the beings in the universe to save Vision. But doesn't change the fact, for me, that there are a lot of dead people on that battlefield that didn't have to die -- even before the Snap.I think on some level it's also easier for me to give it a pass because once Thanos gets the time stone, all bets are off, because he can go back and do it all as many times as it takes to get what he wants. So even if Wanda had destroyed the mind stone right then and there at the Avengers headquarters, before Thanos even arrived on earth - Thanos still could have used the time stone to undo that destruction and get what he wanted. There was no scenario where a time stone-wielding Thanos doesn't get the rest of the stones. And given the power that Thanos had already amassed, there was no realistic scenario where he didn't get the time stone either.
I've got to believe that Thanos dies via head injury in Endgame. It's sort of like Chekhov's gun; why introduce it if you're not going to pay it off later?The only person who might have had the power to change the pre-snap outcome would have been Thor if he had gone for the head. I wonder if that'll actually be a plot point in Endgame, Thor at least berating himself or being chastised by others for not taking the kill shot.
I've got to believe that Thanos dies via head injury in Endgame. It's sort of like Chekhov's gun; why introduce it if you're not going to pay it off later?
But I started thinking about this really cool, really obscure time travel movie called "Primer" - and a significant plot point in that film has to do with a character wearing an earpiece that we, as the audience, think nothing of when we first notice it.
As an aside, Primer is one of my all time favourite movies. It's the only movie I have ever watched three times in a row in the same night (on disc, of course).