Anyone see the New Enterprise episode last night? *(Spoilers)* (1 Viewer)

[Mike Broadman]

That com officer was just so damn irritating. I know, I know, she's gonna conquer her fears, realise her potential, yadda-yadda. For one thing, I think it's a bit sad that we all know what's gonna happen with ther character after watching the first episode. Let's face it, Trek was never really that good with its characters. Trek's strength always lies in its odd little plots, but there never isn't any real, honest character development, though there never really is in TV. But the com officer was just obnoxious. I wanted to the Vulcan chick to just slap her silly. I hope she doesn't whine like this the whole season.
It's only the second episode, so no reason to be so judgemental. I think the series will be typical formulaic Trek, which always makes for a pleasant hour-long diversion.

 

[JonZ]

I thought it was just ok.
A better start than Voyager though. But Voyager had some good shows(The one with Barkley and the aliens who stole organs being my favorites) in the first 2 seasons.
BTW, Is the blue light on the front of the ship supposed to be the Deflector Dish? Kindof small isnt it.
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[John Berggren]

I too was irritated by Archer blustering about making the wrong decision - when it was his decision to make. Serious character flaw. But then - nothing wrong with a character flaw if it's in keeping with the character. T'Pol aught to have reminded him that it was his decision.
There were also times that the dialogue seemed stilted. The delivery was off. Particularly when Hoshi asks Archer to change her quarters, and he says that he wants to keep his comm officer happy. It seems he has pauses in his dialogue where they don't belong.
I have a bit higher hopes for this series than for Voyager - and the widescreen presentation helps some. I could have used another shower scene in this one - however silly and gratuitous it was in the last episode.
I wonder that they'll have to be a second ship halfway through Enterprise's run if they get all 7 years. You would have to think Earth would build another ship by then. It would make sense that if a ship launches successfully, we'd have another one flying within 5 years... probably fewer.
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[Richard Travale]

I wanted to the Vulcan chick to just slap her silly

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I too, wanted to know about the whole Prime Directive thing. THe way Archer went back and started doing autopsies and blowing up alien technology. I wonder if it will be this whole incident, Sluggo and the new friends that will help implement the Prime Directive.
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[Bill Catherall]

quote: It seems he has pauses in his dialogue where they don't belong.[/quote]
In that scene he kept hearing squeaks. He was pausing because of the squeaks.
I really liked the show last night. Remember, they are the first to be out this far (at least that's what I understand) and Archer is breaking new ground. Should he "interfere" and satisfy all his curiosities, or should he restrain and stick to the mission at hand? He probably left the alien ship for two reasons: 1) T'Pol's comments about leaving well enough alone where getting to him...leading to regret for even going on board, 2) he was afraid of the return of the other ship. Either way, he redeemed himself for going back and doing what he really wanted to do in the first place.
Also, I don't understand the dislike for the theme song. No, it's not typical Trek, but it's very fitting and sets the show's tone very well. I really like it.
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[Edited last by Bill Catherall on October 04, 2001 at 01:55 PM]

 

[Dan M~]

"I really liked the show last night. Remember, they are the first to be out this far (at least that's what I understand) and Archer is breaking new ground. Should he "interfere" and satisfy all his curiosities, or should he restrain and stick to the mission at hand? He probably left the alien ship for two reasons: 1) T'Pol's comments about leaving well enough alone where getting to him...leading to regret for even going on board, 2) he was afraid of the return of the other ship. Either way, he redeemed himself for going back and doing what he really wanted to do in the first place."
Right on... Enterprise is the Earths first Starship and the Captian is the Earths first Starship Captian. There are no pre-made set of standards or prime directives for him to use. There are no Star Fleet Academy classes teaching Space History for him to learn from. He is making Starfleets history. His crew has the same problems. They have entered a Universe where they are not the best or baddest boys/girls on the block (Like Nxt Gen!). They have inferior tools to work with. They are inexperienced. The Captian (and crew)will evolve into what all future captians (and crew)will use as a standard in the future. Just watch.
-Dan M.
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[Adam Lenhardt]

I too was irritated by Archer blustering about making the wrong decision - when it was his decision to make.

You have to remember... none of them have ever done any of this before. The vulcan chick's been around the galactic block a few times. She gave her educated opinion and he, having no other educated opinion to rely on, trusted it. The fact that he turned back tells you something about strength of character.
The only problem I had with the episode was that I was expecting them to throw a typical Trek twist in there and they didn't. For instance, wouldn't it have been cooler instead of having 'x' species being used by 'y' species and having 'x' blow up 'y' for revenge, have 'x' turned out to be processed by 'x'... A culture clash if you will. Those crew men on the meat hooks were MEANT to die for their essential liquids. That would have been more satistifying. But then, I'm not a Trekkie, that could have been done 20 times before for all I know.
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[Matt_Stevens]

Anyone else notice the "rumble" of the ship is way too loud? It was driving us nuts last night and we had to turn the bass way down.
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[BrianW]

What Bill and Dan said!
I’m thoroughly enjoying the show so far. This Is exploration! Even by TOS, the galaxy was civilized and online. Yes, certain things made me cringe, like leaving the slug in a foreign ecosystem and aliens too humanoid (and English-speaking) to be believed. But this series has gotten off to a better start than TNG, DS9, and Voyager.
And why shouldn’t aliens be “bad” for the most part? Why shouldn’t interstellar relationships mimic what we see in nature here on Earth? Predation on an interstellar scale, although in diminished frequency of occurrence due to the distances involved, must surely exist (in the Trek universe).
Other random thoughts:
It’s good to see the use of shuttles, enviro-suits, and decontamination procedures – even the gratuitous ones – on our first venture outside our solar system. It makes sense.
I think they’ve successfully “predated” TOS by making the ship’s interior, for the most part, look like a cross between the original Enterprise and a modern-day naval Destroyer-class warship. (The exterior is another matter!

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Unlike Treks of the past, some things in Enterprise are left a mystery. In the past, EVERYTHING was explained, even if the writers had to make up a bunch of words to do it. It’s refreshing not to hear the dialog between Hoshi and the Axanar translated into English. It’s not necessary to know what the predatory race looked like or why they harvested bodily fluids. These things are out there to be encountered, and encountering them doesn’t necessarily lead to understanding. If this had been a Voyager episode, these things would have been explained in horribly nauseating detail.
Morality tales about the imperfect but indomitable human spirit hearken back to Roddenberry’s original vision. This is something Trek had strayed away from, and I welcome the rediscovery of the franchise’s roots. But I must admit, though, that I’m a sucker for this kind of tale. YMMV.
The established premise, that we are “as babes, crying in the woods,” gives the series an ominous tone that no other Trek series has had. The wolves are out there, and not being the “baddest boys in the quadrant” gives the explorers (and, by extension, the viewer) reflective pause about the potentially deadly consequences of their mission.
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[Phil Florian]

Howdy, all. My wife and I really loved the episode, too. It is just so fun to watch a "real" Trek, again. Not to repeat what others have said so well, I will point out other things that I dig. First of all, there is some actual tension...between crew members, during missions, etc. The sparring between the Vulcan and Archer, while a bit forced now, could really deepen into something great to watch. When they went aboard the alien vessel, it felt alien! Nothing had in recent Trek shows! It felt more like Aliens or somesuch (not as scary, though, but atmospheric). Also, the use of the Shuttle as the main means of getting between ships. Great stuff. Tense as firefight was going on around them. Yah, the writing isn't top notch, but once the real writers get into the fray, some great development will occur. I am liking the new Enterprise ship, exterior and all. It has good lines and they are filming it nicely...must more stately than some previous ships.
Good stuff. I am glad to hang with this show a while and see where it goes.
Ciao!
Phil
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[Gary Kellerman]

I am not that crazy about this show. Other than the warp drive, it appears this ship has no protection to its hull. How could this ship survive exploration with the types of alien societies we Star Trek viewers know exist out there without shields and phasers at the very least. The torpedos fired from the Enterprise were the equivalent of "firecrackers" in their explosive power against the enemy ship. I have no real comments on the captain and his crew at this time. The show does have marvelous special effects, perhaps too marvelous for a prequel series particulaly when you compare it to the original 60s Star Trek series.

 

[Josh LeClair]

The bad:
Inability to correct targeting sensors and then all of a sudden in the heat of battle they are fixed?
The quickness with which Hoshi was able to begin communications with the alien on her own.
These 2 things tie into the disturbing treknobabble stuff seen on TNG. A cheap pulling the rabbit out of the hat gimmick.
Ship-to-ship visuals - Arrrgh! I knew this was going to happen. I can live with external ship shots etc. But it was clearly stated in TOS that ship-to-ship visuals was a relatively new thing.
This type of thing irks me to no end. One can only wonder what other inconsistencies are going to be introduced with this series.

I swear I'm gonna sound like a huge trek geek here but what the heck.
As far as ship to ship visuals go, NEVER in TOS was it established that ship to ship visuals was a new thing. NEVER. A lot of people have taken one line from TOS and ran with it. It was talked about in a TOS episode dealing with the Romulans and I believe Spock mentioned that they had never had ship to ship visuals with the Romulans before, even during the Earth-Romulan war. Many people took the line to mean that we were incapable of sts visual communication at the time, they were wrong. We simply never had any sts visuals with the Romulans at that time.
If the technology exists nowadays for sts visuals, why would they not have it in the future? How is it we would be capable of warp flight and creating such huge ships but are unable to setup visual communications with a nearby ship?
As far as the targeting sensors go, keep in mind that they had been tweaking the sensors throughout the episode and kept mentioning that he was getting closer, it's not like it came out of no where.
Also, would you prefer that they spent the entire episode watching Hoshi trying to communicate with them? Sometimes suspension of belief is needed when telling a good story.

 

[Jim Benard]

quote: And why shouldn’t aliens be “bad” for the most part? Why shouldn’t interstellar relationships mimic what we see in nature here on Earth? Predation on an interstellar scale, although in diminished frequency of occurrence due to the distances involved, must surely exist (in the Trek universe).[/quote]
This is an execellent point. My only problem is that if this is the case we wouldn't be so lucky to survive as the Enterprise has done. In the real world if we were placed in these types of situations, we would lose ships and people like crazy. But this is the Trek world of course!
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[Lou Sytsma]

Josh - I'll give you the point about the use of ship-to-ship visuals being valuable as a dramatic device.
As to your other comments quote:
"As far as ship to ship visuals go, NEVER in TOS was it established that ship to ship visuals was a new thing. NEVER. A lot of people have taken one line from TOS and ran with it. It was talked about in a TOS episode dealing with the Romulans and I believe Spock mentioned that they had never had ship to ship visuals with the Romulans before, even during the Earth-Romulan war. Many people took the line to mean that we were incapable of sts visual communication at the time, they were wrong. We simply never had any sts visuals with the Romulans at that time.
If the technology exists nowadays for sts visuals, why would they not have it in the future? How is it we would be capable of warp flight and creating such huge ships but are unable to setup visual communications with a nearby ship?"
I'm pretty sure that the TOS remark was not restricted to just the Romulans.
Given the current state of technology demonstrated by the Enterprise their ability to link up with an alien ship is akin to the amazing laptop from ID4 communicating with the mothership.
They don't have the technology to do face-to-face communications on their own. And there are no communication protocol standards to allow vessels of different cultures to interface with each other freely.
I can buy face-to-face visuals with fellow ships but not with aliens.
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[Danny R]

Sorry, I have to agree with Josh. Visual technology is available today. Not having it for the Enterprise, alien or no, seems silly and does seem like they are taking the Romulan quote a bit far. I've always thought that all communication with the Romulans was done by radio - because of the need to keep both sides away from each other. Thats why there is a neutral zone - something else that doesn't exist except with the Romulans.
They have a device that can almost instantly translate languages... recognizing a electromagnetic video signal is much more trivial in my opinion.
That communications ensign is starting to bother me. This is the only starship Earth has and she made the cut? What was wrong with the person who placed first in her class?
They probably were in a different field than communications. Archer said he selected her because she was the best at this.
I guess I might be alone, but I thought this aspect of Hoshi's personality made this episode one of the better Treks.
There is no way anyone would believe that there are two strong women on the same ship. Make one a wimp.
I don't think she's a wimp. Rather I think she's not a superheroine. I rather like this aspect of the character. After all, she's not "military" but more a specialist.
Speaking of which, I thought it cool that they had a conversation about what weapons various folk were "rated" for. Thats something we've never seen on Trek before, where the phaser is universal.
[Edited last by Danny R on October 05, 2001 at 09:10 AM]

 

[BrianW]

And there are no communication protocol standards to allow vessels of different cultures to interface with each other freely.

No kidding. I bet the aliens even have non-interlaced video, which would make it totally incompatible with Starfleet's video standard.

Yes, these utterly impossible things bother me, too, since I'm such a science geek. But I have no problem seeing them for what they are: Plot devices that move the story along without letting it get bogged down in unending detail and exposition. Indeed, if I understand correctly, the transporter's value as a plot device is the only redeeming factor that persuaded Gene Roddenberry to include its technology in the series in the first place. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
In other words, you're absolutely right, and your point is well taken. But for a one-hour show that concentrates adequately well on character interaction rather than blowing stuff up, I can accept it as a necessary evil and keep it below my personal "cringe-factor radar." So even though it bugs me, I still have fun watching.

 

[Paul Jenkins]

i find it a little comical when people argue about ship-to-ship communication and how that shouldn't be possible between alien races because of a protocol issue, when they are using WARP DRIVE for gosh sakes going faster than the speed of light....

 

[Jason Seaver]

Ship-to-ship visuals - Arrrgh! I knew this was going to happen. I can live with external ship shots etc. But it was clearly stated in TOS that ship-to-ship visuals was a relatively new thing.

Well, you see, they've actually had it since, like, now, but they didn't use it until shortly before TOS because of the Prime Directive - wouldn't want to accidentally give real-time data compression to civilizations that didn't have it. They can do it on "Enterprise" because the Directive hasn't been invented yet.

 

[Ted Lee]

just one more decontamination scene with t'pol and i'll be happy...i swear...

i thought the episode was pretty well done. at first, all of hoshi's whining really got to me, but then i realized what the writer's were trying to do.
i did think the parallel between hoshi and the slug was a little obvious.
i liked how they still had to use the shuttle and environment suits while running around on the alien ship. that seems more "in-line" with the technology that they had at the time. also, was it just me or did it take them forever to get back to the ship once the bad-guy aliens returned?
so far...so good. i'll keep watching! i'm kind of glad to have a new show to look forward to!
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[Bill Catherall]

Oh...one more thing to add. Set design. Man I just love it!

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