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Dear Warner Bros....Are You Punishing Us By Withholding Tom and Jerry Volume 2?

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#21 of 44 OFFLINE   nigel19

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Posted August 28 2014 - 01:22 PM

The old T&J Spotlight Collections were more marketed towards kids, or at least younger audiences if some of the special features are an indication (MadTV commentaries, anyone?), which is probably why there wasn't much of a fuss of the same 2 cartoons being omitted on those DVDs.

 

These Golden Collections of T&J were suppose to be the ones for the adults/collectors and there were early indications that it would be blu-ray only to help gatekeep the "electronic babysitter" consumers.  Of course they caved early on to the latter aspect and caved further on the former in a futile effort to forgo the original intent of providing a complete chronological set for some vaguely political marketing reason, thus ensuring a FUBAR'd product line.

 

 

I wouldn't say the Spotlight dvd's were aimed at kids at all . They were aimed at adult collectors and the cases for Volume 2 and 3 even say they are for adult collectors and may not be suitable for children on the back .

 

Fortunately both of the missing toons are available uncut on the UK dvd's although there is one toon missing there too. Can't recall which one offhand but it seems to be an admin error rather than any problem with the content .



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Posted August 28 2014 - 04:41 PM

The first Spotlight Collection was definitely a victim of legal meddling. It was originally supposed to be what the Golden Collection basically is: all of the 1940s cartoons in chronological order. Very late in the game the plug was pulled.


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Posted August 29 2014 - 12:45 PM

The first Spotlight Collection was definitely a victim of legal meddling. It was originally supposed to be what the Golden Collection basically is: all of the 1940s cartoons in chronological order. Very late in the game the plug was pulled.

Although Collection 1 seemed to be a "Best of" they did start from the beginning on Collection 2 . + point for the US sets is that the Cinemascope toons were in the right ratio . The UK versions were 4:3.

 

Seems weird in this day and age that a company like Warner who release so many great home video releases would pander to the morons of political correctness.

Its the sort of rubbish you expect from Disney but even they released some un PC content in the Disney Treasures collections although It was unfortunate they felt we needed Leonard Maltin to tell us how bad they were .



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Posted August 29 2014 - 02:08 PM

Although Collection 1 seemed to be a "Best of" they did start from the beginning on Collection 2 . + point for the US sets is that the Cinemascope toons were in the right ratio . The UK versions were 4:3.

 

Seems weird in this day and age that a company like Warner who release so many great home video releases would pander to the morons of political correctness.

Its the sort of rubbish you expect from Disney but even they released some un PC content in the Disney Treasures collections although It was unfortunate they felt we needed Leonard Maltin to tell us how bad they were .

 

Why were warnings insufficient here if they were sufficient for the Looney Tunes Golden Collection?


Enough is enough, Disney. No more evasions or excuses. We DEMAND the release Song of the South on Blu-ray along with the uncut version of Bedknobs and Broomsticks on Blu-ray. I am going to boycott The Walt Disney Company until then. And while you're at it, PLEASE stop dropping DVD/laserdisc extras from Blu-ray releases of other films.


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Posted August 29 2014 - 04:03 PM

The warnings were written specifically to placate the one particular exec in the legal department who was digging in her heels. The person who wrote it doesn't believe it himself, and neither did Whoopie Goldberg who read them. In fact, Whoopie did it for free in return for a limited edition cel... the Clampett edition of Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs.



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Posted August 30 2014 - 01:40 PM

The funniest bit of the warning is the  "It was wrong then and it's wrong now" . It clearly wasn't wrong then . In any event I really don't see why they worry about these blackface jokes .  

Maybe edit them from Cartoon Network broadcasts when kids are watching who won't know the reference but surely those who buy the discs are not too stupid to be able to watch this material in the context of when it was made.

 

The UK dvd contains the "white mammy" version of Saturday Evening Puss yet it contains the original unedited version of Mouse Cleaning. I can't even recall what's supposed to be wrong with Casanova Cat but that's on the UK disc too.



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Posted August 30 2014 - 05:33 PM

Everything is too PC these days. Of course, Disney won't release Song of the South as we all know. In college last year, I had to sit through a video of how sexist/evil/racist Disney was with all their movies. Even The Beverly Hillbillies had a disclaimer before the Winston cigarette ads as to how they didn't recommend smoking as it may be hazardous to your health.


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#28 of 44 OFFLINE   nigel19

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Posted August 31 2014 - 12:44 PM

Everything is too PC these days. Of course, Disney won't release Song of the South as we all know. In college last year, I had to sit through a video of how sexist/evil/racist Disney was with all their movies. Even The Beverly Hillbillies had a disclaimer before the Winston cigarette ads as to how they didn't recommend smoking as it may be hazardous to your health.

 

Did nobody stand up and defend Disney ? It was a different time and attitudes were different just as they will be different to today in 20 years.

Maybe your college can do a follow up video on  the dangers of viewing unedited Looney Tunes ?



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Posted September 01 2014 - 04:59 AM

Maybe historians with some common sense can do a video on how politically correct attacks on pop culture of the past damage students' ability to understand and process history.

 

Of course, those historians better have tenure already 'cause they'll sure be denied it after making their case.



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Posted September 01 2014 - 04:21 PM

They are because they are clueless people who think having a degree makes you a business man or woman. They are arrogant, clueless, passionless, unknowledgeable and uneducated people who should not even having jobs as dog walkers.



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Posted September 02 2014 - 09:27 AM

The last thing I want to see is panel discussions, disclaimers and apologies telling me I should feel guilty about enjoying the cartoon I'm about to see. Talk about a buzzkill. That's the entertainment equivalent of suicide. That's what made me rip all of my Disney DVDs and cut Leonard Maltin out. I like Leonard Maltin, but all those apologies forced on me by the menu structure infuriated me.



#32 of 44 OFFLINE   Vic Pardo

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Posted September 03 2014 - 07:05 AM

I remember when the inclusion of objectionable material in a release, e.g. pre-code movies and cartoons, was a selling point and not a warning.



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Posted September 03 2014 - 08:16 AM

I remember when the inclusion of objectionable material in a release, e.g. pre-code movies and cartoons, was a selling point and not a warning.

Just another example of dumbing down and ignorance in this big, wide, wonderful polically-correct world we live in.



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Posted September 03 2014 - 09:17 AM

I remember when the inclusion of objectionable material in a release, e.g. pre-code movies and cartoons, was a selling point and not a warning.

 

Don't kid yourself. There is a definite subgroup of people who are focused on racial depictions because they actually are racist. It isn't a high percentage of film fans, but it exists.



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Posted January 31 2015 - 03:30 AM

I suppose we ought to be thankful to Warner Bros. for protecting us from ourselves.

 

There just aren't enough people out there these days looking out for the well being of the general public  :wacko:  



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Posted January 31 2015 - 08:15 AM

I wonder if the exec who has a problem with these cartoons' reach extends to other territories? WB UK seemingly doesn't have a problem with them; they should request the materials from the head office and do their own volume sets. They'll be region free so no one misses out.



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Posted January 31 2015 - 10:58 AM

Archive Collection , best way to get this released now..... instant purchase if it was complete,  this from a Tom & Jerry fan  even of the much maligned Dietch set of toons


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Posted January 31 2015 - 01:20 PM

"I believe that these T&J shorts are simply on a "list", for whatever reason, and if a cartoon is on that list it doesn't go out to the public. Simple as that."

This sounds about right. Sadly.

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Posted January 31 2015 - 09:26 PM

Okay, let's just get off the pot about the whole argument about 'protecting tender ears'. The Simpsons makes the reoccurring gag "Think of the children!" whenever something objectionable is presented on one of their episodes. It's laughable, because your kids are being exposed to far worse than that mammy in a Tom and Jerry cartoon just by turning on the nightly news. And let's not forget how rife a playground can be for misinformation of every shape and kind.

 

You don't need sensitivity training to watch these cartoons or imposed censorship on this art by omission to use your noggin for yourselves and realize what's being depicted is simply a product of its time. I can think of some products from our own that aren't exactly politically correct either. Nikki Minaj's Nazi-fied 'Only' music video immediately comes to mind! A free country entitles you to view public art at your discretion and all of the aforementioned can be considered art of one form or another. If not, then we're back to the old Hitlerian era when Uncle Adolf considered certain art, including Tarzan - degenerate and banned from his beloved Nazi Germany. As history teaches, there were far worse things happening at Auschwitz than Johnny Weissmueller in a loin cloth!

 

With regards to the comment about how keeping racist material out of public view is meant to prevent obvious racists from getting their fix by viewing such subject matter, thereby perpetuating and validating their racism by proxy, all I can say is - GET REAL!  

 

Banning a Tom and Jerry cartoon to prevent the provocation of impure racist thoughts is like saying if we cleanse this world of nude pictures - both classical artwork and pornography alike, we'll wind up curing sexual sadism, prevent rape and stop spousal abuse. You have to take it into account that in a diverse population not everyone will think as you do. If you're not a racist but still want to see these cartoons you ought to be entitled to do so. Actually, in a free thinking society, even if you are a racist, it should be your right to experience the same rights and privileges as your more enlightened brethren. Think about that. Or just bury your heads in the sand and think that because it isn't seen it isn't thought about. Now, what a scary thought that is!!!!



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Posted February 06 2015 - 11:54 AM

Does anyone have any comments on the DVD only release of Tom and Jerry: The Gene Deitch Collection? 







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