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#1 of 26 OFFLINE   Darren H

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Posted March 11 2013 - 05:33 AM

I'm a long-time member of this forum but only visit occasionally these days -- usually in moments like this, when I'm seeking feedback on hardware purchases. Nine years ago I outfitted my home theater with an NEC HT-1000 projector (4:3 native) and an 80"x60" Da-Lite motorized, tensioned screen. We sold that house three years ago, and I'm just now getting ready to put a projector into our new place. Also, in that three years we've had two kids, so I'm eager to get the most for my money. I've given myself a budget of around $3,000 for a ceiling-mounted projector and wall-mounted screen, knowing that installation and cabling will add to the cost. ROOM DETAILS 18'x16' 9' ceilings Viewing distance: 12'-13' Throw distance: 10'-17' The room is in a walk-out basement with two windows. The screen will lower into an area directly between the windows. The majority of my viewing will be in near- or total-darkness. The screen will drop in front of a 55" LCD TV that I'll use in daylight and for casual viewing. SCREEN PRIORITIES Wall-mounted Motorized Tensioned 16:9 ratio with a max width of 96" PROJECTOR PRIORITIES None, really, other than the best image for the money. I doubt I'll ever watch a 3D film in my house, so that's not at all a priority. I've been looking at the 92"x52" Da-Lite Tensioned Cosmpolitan Electrol, but I'm open to other suggestions. Based on reviews here and at projectorcentral, it looks like Epson and BenQ are making the best projectors in my price range ($1,500). It's several years old now, I know, but the Epson 8350 can be had for $1,000 and appears to be a bargain at that price. Any suggestions? How would you spend my money? Thanks.
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#2 of 26 OFFLINE   73shark

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Posted March 11 2013 - 06:29 AM

I'm prejudiced but ViewSonic Pro8100 is a good buy if you can find one. A $5K PJ when released, can be had for under $1K now. If you want to know more, let me know.

#3 of 26 OFFLINE   Gregg Loewen

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Posted March 11 2013 - 06:33 AM

hi Darren If considering an LCD...consider a newer unit that has convergence / alignment adjustments.

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Posted March 11 2013 - 11:57 AM

Your first decision should be LCD or DLP. Then we can start narrowing things down. Possibly the best deal out there right now is the new Benq W1070(DLP) for about $1,000.

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Posted March 11 2013 - 01:38 PM

Thanks, guys. Honestly, I'm so amazed by the quality of projector that can now be had for $1,500, I don't have a strong preference for one technology over another. The more I read, the more I'm leaning toward the BenQ.
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Posted March 11 2013 - 02:20 PM

Using a 106" diagonal screen, the Benq W1070's throw distance(lens to screen) would need to be between 8' 10" to 11' 7".

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Posted March 11 2013 - 04:40 PM

You should test drive both LCD and DLP. Some folks experience a phenomenon known as RBE w/ a DLP.

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Posted March 11 2013 - 04:49 PM

some folks experience a phenomenon known as convergence error and white field uniformity issues with lcd ;-) Each technology has + and -. Good idea on test driving both (but this is normally quite difficult to do).

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Posted March 11 2013 - 05:29 PM

I did not know that. How does that manifest itself?

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Posted March 11 2013 - 07:33 PM

I did not know that. How does that manifest itself?

What?

#11 of 26 OFFLINE   Darren H

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Posted March 12 2013 - 12:40 AM

Thanks, again. I lived with an occasional rainbow effect when I had my HT1000. I don't expect perfection at this price point, but I appreciate the warnings. It's unlikely that I'll have a chance to compare the two.
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Posted March 12 2013 - 03:33 AM

I did not know that. How does that manifest itself?

Well, some people would prefer that they did not know, since once they were made aware of it they saw it =p So only read if you can live with the knowledge: http://www.projector...inbowEffect.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBurcnYx2g

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#13 of 26 OFFLINE   Gregg Loewen

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Posted March 12 2013 - 03:40 AM

Sam, that utube video isnt even ball park close to accurate. It is clearly a broken PJ. I have never seen any PJ EVER (after viewing thousands of them) that is even remotely close to that example.

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Posted March 12 2013 - 08:24 AM

Darren, the Benq W1070 reportedly has a 6X color wheel speed. It is very unlikely you will see the rainbow effect. If you do, you can return it. Just make sure of the return policy before you buy it.

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Posted March 12 2013 - 08:53 AM

Sam, that utube video isnt even ball park close to accurate. It is clearly a broken PJ. I have never seen any PJ EVER (after viewing thousands of them) that is even remotely close to that example.

You are right Gregg, I should have caveated that it is an extreme case. I've never seen it at all off a live PJ, but that video was the worst example I have ever seen of it anywhere. I assumed they were using a first generation PJ to get something that bad, with very fast moving scenes from Bourne... I'm not sure you could even make a video that shows what might be reasonably expected to appear off a modern PJ, it's mostly tamed now, right?

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Posted March 12 2013 - 09:57 AM

some folks experience a phenomenon known as convergence error and white field uniformity issues with lcd ;-) Each technology has + and -. Good idea on test driving both (but this is normally quite difficult to do).

Well, some people would prefer that they did not know, since once they were made aware of it they saw it =p So only read if you can live with the knowledge: http://www.projector...inbowEffect.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBurcnYx2g

I knew about RBE which is why I mentioned it. I was referring to Gregg's post re: convergence error and white field uniformity issues with lcd . I had never heard of that problem and was just wondering what it look like. I assume "convergence error" is where a pixel is not aligned correctly. Not sure about the other.

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Posted March 12 2013 - 10:46 AM

pixels not being aligned. white not being white across the entire screen.

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Posted March 13 2013 - 10:39 AM

pixels not being aligned. white not being white across the entire screen.

can it be fixed?

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Posted March 14 2013 - 01:57 AM

Sometimes. I'm picking up my 5020 today, will let you know how it goes. Some owners report not being able to use the menus to get a satisfactory convergence, others have no issue. Never had any convergence issues on my 900u so wasn't a concern for me...

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Posted March 14 2013 - 07:19 AM

awesome Sam. Let us know what your thoughts are about it. Im really surprised you could get this PJ. They are sold out / on back order nationally.

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