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CBS series: Switch(Robert Wagner), Dan August(Burt Reynolds), Crazy like a Fox(Jack Warden)


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#1 of 42 Mr. Pacino

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Posted July 30 2010 - 10:31 PM

I would like to see that the above mentioned series will be released by CBS/Paramount in the future.


I don´t know the 70´s series "Switch" starring Robert Wagner and Eddie Albert but after seeing some clips at youtube I´m interested in the series.


I never saw "Dan August" either but I like Burt Reynolds and a Quinn Martin show is always worth a try!


I own all episodes of "Crazy like a Fox" on DVD-R. I totally love the show. Jack Warden is hilarious!!!








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Posted July 31 2010 - 03:53 AM

I would also like to see dan august and switch get released out what the heck is taking so

long



#3 of 42 Neil Brock

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Posted July 31 2010 - 06:07 AM



Originally Posted by Tim Gregerson 

I would also like to see dan august and switch get released out what the heck is taking so

long



     Well, let's see. Dan August ran for one season almost 40 years ago and has never been syndicated. So perhaps that's the reason? And Switch is owned by Universal, which releases virtually nothing from their library from the 1970s.



#4 of 42 Jack P

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Posted July 31 2010 - 06:51 AM

"Switch" is the kind of title Universal might license out since it falls in the same category of other 70s shows that have been licensed out.   A Shout or VEI one might think might go for it.



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Posted August 01 2010 - 08:10 AM



Originally Posted by Jack P 

"Switch" is the kind of title Universal might license out since it falls in the same category of other 70s shows that have been licensed out.   A Shout or VEI one might think might go for it.


     Keep dreaming.



#6 of 42 bretmaverick2

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Posted August 02 2010 - 11:46 PM

Of those series listed, I would definately be 'in' for SWITCH.


Don't even remember the other two.



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Posted August 03 2010 - 12:45 AM

I loved Crazy Like a Fox and would buy it in a heartbeat.



#8 of 42 HenryDuBrow

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Posted August 03 2010 - 06:09 AM

Well, one starred Burt Reynolds the other Robert Wagner, they both were heartthrobs in their prime so I think they have a huge following of fans and potential, besides these were good shows. So was CLAF, good show that is. Had these been bad shows I could understand a hesitation perhaps, not now. A company like SF! make a great candidate, but it's up to them of course they have lots of TV stuff to choose from.


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Posted August 03 2010 - 03:07 PM



Originally Posted by HenryDuBrow 

besides these were good shows.


     Since when does that have anything to do with anything?



#10 of 42 HenryDuBrow

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Posted August 04 2010 - 04:03 AM

Why do you think people talk about shows here in the first place, probably because they want them...



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Posted August 05 2010 - 12:40 AM

Unfortunately, I think Neil is correct. These shows aren’t coming to DVD anytime soon. Probably  not coming to DVD period. My belief is classic TV on disc is drawing its last breath.

 

I think a lot of posters have an unrealistic expectation in their release hopes. The market for classic  shows is simply not strong enough to support  the investment studios & DVD companies have to make in order to put them out ,and it appears to be a declining one. Just take a look at all the abandoned series out there, including some well known and top rated in their time. If they don’t pay there is little chance that a one season effort  like ‘Dan August’ will see the light of day.

 

I’m not arguing the merits of the programmes, just looking at the economics.

 

I frequently see posts here ,or other forums asking when Series X is appearing. The poster often qualifies it by suggesting it should be restored/remastered & have a host of interviews & extras. Well, restoring is an expensive business. Likewise, licensing a show to an independent might sound fine in theory but can be extremely complicated. Many shows are not actually owned outright by the studio & clearing ‘rights’ is far from straightforward, particularly on older series. I have heard of examples where this has been so involved & complex the company has simply abandoned the release.

 

The big studios such as Warners have never shown any interest in releasing or licensing. CBS / Paramount are clearly scaling back & I suspect abandoning all but the guaranteed sellers.

 

A few years back I used to look through TVShowsonDVD forthcoming & there was always an announcement to stimulate my interest. So much so, that I would have to make a list of intended purchases & spread it out for affordability. This year I have found so little I hardly bother looking anymore.

 

As for black & white material, well, probably has about the same niche market as silent films.

 



#12 of 42 Gary OS

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Posted August 05 2010 - 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by silverking 

Unfortunately, I think Neil is correct. These shows aren’t coming to DVD anytime soon. Probably  not coming to DVD period. My belief is classic TV on disc is drawing its last breath.

 

I think a lot of posters have an unrealistic expectation in their release hopes. The market for classic  shows is simply not strong enough to support  the investment studios & DVD companies have to make in order to put them out ,and it appears to be a declining one. Just take a look at all the abandoned series out there, including some well known and top rated in their time. If they don’t pay there is little chance that a one season effort  like ‘Dan August’ will see the light of day.

 

I’m not arguing the merits of the programmes, just looking at the economics.

 

I frequently see posts here ,or other forums asking when Series X is appearing. The poster often qualifies it by suggesting it should be restored/remastered & have a host of interviews & extras. Well, restoring is an expensive business. Likewise, licensing a show to an independent might sound fine in theory but can be extremely complicated. Many shows are not actually owned outright by the studio & clearing ‘rights’ is far from straightforward, particularly on older series. I have heard of examples where this has been so involved & complex the company has simply abandoned the release.

 

The big studios such as Warners have never shown any interest in releasing or licensing. CBS / Paramount are clearly scaling back & I suspect abandoning all but the guaranteed sellers.

 

A few years back I used to look through TVShowsonDVD forthcoming & there was always an announcement to stimulate my interest. So much so, that I would have to make a list of intended purchases & spread it out for affordability. This year I have found so little I hardly bother looking anymore.

 

As for black & white material, well, probably has about the same niche market as silent films.  [Emphasis mine]



Bravo, Chris.  That's the post of the week for sure!  I hope you don't mind, but I emphasized a few points that I really thought were important to highlight.  You are spot on correct with your assessment.  Some of us have seen the handwriting on the wall for a couple of years now, yet we still have others that insist there is no slowdown at all in Classic releases (by including anything that's been off the air for only a year in the category - still silly as all get out as far as I'm concerned).  But no matter how you choose to slice this pizza, you have to recognize we've hit the mountain top and are now on the way down.  No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The amount of stalled out shows; the amount of rescheduling of releases; the amount of cancelations recently by one prominent studio - it all adds up to one undeniable fact: We are nearing the end of the line with this hobby.  At least folks that like truly vintage shows are nearing the end of the line.  As you said, Chris, the b/w TV show market is quickly becoming a real niche market akin to silent films and there just aren't enough fans out there to make it worth the studios' time.


I've said for a while now that all true classic TV fans should be getting down on their knees daily and thanking God Almighty for Shout, Timeless, Time Life and a few of the smaller companies that have kept this thing going for us.  Just think about how many truly iconic, vintage shows we'd be missing if not for those three over the last couple of years.  I know several of my "holy grail" series would be missing from my collection but for them.


Look, I'd love to see Switch released again.  Still love the jazzy theme.  But the chances of that or the other shows mentioned in the thread title coming are just about zero.  Sure, anything can happen.  But it's just not a realistic expectation at this point.  It would have to be classified as a long shot prayer.

Thanks again for a great post, Chris!


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Posted August 05 2010 - 03:18 AM

Gary O. and others,


I usually don't post comments in this forum, but I feel that I need to speak up. All of the negative comments about the state of this industry are really getting me down. I realize that new releases are slowing down and the economy is as bad as ever. I agree with about 90% of what is said about it, but you can't be sure about what will be released in the future unless you work at the studio. If you have inside information that most of us don't know about, that is fine.


I know that Sony and Fox have given up, Warner and Universal have little to no interest in this any more, but I always hoped that some of the shows released by CBS Paramount would continue. They have been the one big studio that hadn't thrown in the towel. I can understand the studio delaying the release of certain titles until further notice, but to hear that they are cancelling their future releases for good is hard for me to accept or believe. They have released some shows over the past year that I never thought I would see on DVD.


If this is true, why continue this forum? Or maybe we should rename it the "Shout Factory TV on DVD" forum. I just want to have some hope for the future.



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Posted August 05 2010 - 03:52 AM

I should emphasize just because I'd like these three shows to come out doesn't mean I think they will, but I certainly agree with Paul here that unless people have studio connections they just don't know, then it's just as speculating dreaming. Who not even a year ago here saw Matt Houston or Vega$ or One Step Beyond or Barnaby Jones coming, I sure didn't, so to suggest either CBS or Warner (Scarecrow & Mrs. King, anyone?) or even Universal are now done with it all I think is a little prematurely. There's a dry spell, but who can say how long that'll last. Patience is a virtue when it comes to classic TV, I've learned that much. I do agree of course companies like Timeless and SF! have kept things going, and in the UK people like Network keep churning out 'lost' and rare (British) gem after gem.


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Posted August 05 2010 - 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by phenri 

Gary O. and others,


I usually don't post comments in this forum, but I feel that I need to speak up. All of the negative comments about the state of this industry are really getting me down. I realize that new releases are slowing down and the economy is as bad as ever. I agree with about 90% of what is said about it, but you can't be sure about what will be released in the future unless you work at the studio. If you have inside information that most of us don't know about, that is fine.


I know that Sony and Fox have given up, Warner and Universal have little to no interest in this any more, but I always hoped that some of the shows released by CBS Paramount would continue. They have been the one big studio that hadn't thrown in the towel. I can understand the studio delaying the release of certain titles until further notice, but to hear that they are cancelling their future releases for good is hard for me to accept or believe. They have released some shows over the past year that I never thought I would see on DVD.


If this is true, why continue this forum? Or maybe we should rename it the "Shout Factory TV on DVD" forum. I just want to have some hope for the future.



Paul, I understand that posts like mine and others here can be discouraging because we aren't being all Pollyanna about the current state and all but certain future of the Classic TV on DVD industry.  Some say I'm a pessimist.  I respond by saying no, I'm a realist.  And the stats most assuredly back up my assertions that we are seeing a major slowdown in vintage (particularly 50's and 60's TV) releases.  That's beyond dispute.  Now, if someone wants to suggest that we'd be in just as good a shape with older releases if Shout and Timeless had not made a strong push over the last 2 years then that's their prerogative.  But I think it's obvious that Universal had no intention of ever finishing Leave it to Beaver, Sony had no intention of releasing Father Knows Best, MGM had no intention of releasing Mister Ed, and on and on the list we could go.  No way was Universal (or other studios) going to release many of the Western titles we got from Timeless in the last year.  So I stand by my comments that we should be very thankful for those smaller companies that got into the vintage TV on DVD game.

As for CBS, I'm in full agreement with you that they were doing a great job.  No doubt they were the major player among the larger studios when it came to their classic TV catalog.  But that is quickly changing, and that's all I'm going to say.  There's plenty of evidence for that without having an "insider" share anything with anyone.  Just look at all the stalled shows.  Look at the long range schedules that did indeed change (almost never to increase output, but to decrease it).  It's not rocket science.  The economy has tanked and with that the classic titles we were seeing on a regular basis are now being scaled back in a major way.  I'd say right now about the only two older series no one needs to worry about is Hawaii Five-O and Perry Mason.  Those two have been pretty consistent in their releases.  But that's about it for 50's and 60's shows (I count Five-O because it debuted in the 60's).  Everything else that isn't completed yet has seen stalls and rescheduling.  Some will still make it.  I'm sure we'll see The Fugitive completed, but it didn't come out as fast as originally scheduled.  Same for The Lucy Show.  Even Dave and Gord told us, straight from the studio, that it was close to not even seeing a 2nd season.  The studio did finally decide to go with S2 but said we'd better buy them up if we wanted more.

Look, I'm not trying to cheer lead for Shout and Timeless alone.  I'm just saying we need to face facts.  We should probably just be glad we had a great run and have as many older classics on DVD as we do.  But to think the best is yet to come...  Not gonna happen.  Sorry.



Originally Posted by HenryDuBrow 

I certainly agree with Paul here that unless people have studio connections they just don't know, then it's just as speculating dreaming.



I'm not speculating.

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Posted August 05 2010 - 08:27 AM

Is it knowing then...? If so, how. Oh right, the crystal ball... Was The Fugitive ever really set in stone and scheduled? Yes, it may very well be coming out later (than many thought or hoped), but if that's its state why couldn't that be the state with many of the other titles. It's tough economic times, sure, which is why there's this current limbo crisis going on but it's impossible to predict the future, the release timelines are already all over the place with no consistency these days. To say classic TV on DVD is dead (and hardly begun on Blu-Ray) is, well, dreaming a nightmare...

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Posted August 05 2010 - 08:34 AM

Believe whatever you want, Henry.  But I'm not the type of person to go on message boards and make stuff up just for the heck of it.  That's not me.  But as I said, believe whatever you want.

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Posted August 05 2010 - 08:56 AM

That's okay Gary, I will join you though in beginning scepticism if nothing's changed new or heard by the end of the year... I think we should at least give this year's last released shows (Barnaby Jones, etc.) that long a life line...


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Posted August 05 2010 - 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HenryDuBrow 

That's okay Gary, I will join you though in beginning scepticism if nothing's changed new or heard by the end of the year... I think we should at least give this year's last released shows (Barnaby Jones, etc.) that long a life line...


Henry, maybe I'm not being clear.  I'm not saying we aren't going to have a few more nice releases coming in the next few months.  We are.  I don't think this is anything big because we've had a CBS exec already come on and tell us to watch for Fugitive news.  So I'm not spilling any beans by saying this: look for The Fugitive, Season 4, Vol. 1 in early November.  We also were told that The Lucy Show Season 3 would come if Season 2 sold well, so this isn't spilling any beans either: look for that to happen in late November.  I'd say chances are good we will see PM S5, V2 that same month, along with HGWT S5, V1.  So I'm not saying we won't see some releases.  Just that the schedule has been significantly scaled back.  It's just a matter of quantity.  It's nothing like it has been in years past and it's nothing like an earlier, long range schedule said it would be.  And that's all I'll say as far as specifics go.


I loved that first season Barnaby Jones set.  I really want a second season release.  Probably as much as anyone else here.  But don't get your hopes up to hear about anything by Christmas.  I honestly believe that one has been abandoned.  /img/vbsmilies/htf/frown.gif


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#20 of 42 Guy Foulard

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Posted August 05 2010 - 11:18 AM

And this is a part of the decline in catalog DVD releases in general for the past couple of years.  Warner has put everything into their high-priced burn-on-demand Warner Archive program, and winnowed their retail releases to almost nothing.  Other companies like Fox, Universal, and Paramount (the movie side) aren't releasing anything...at this point, I'm feeling relieved that we got so much during the fat years, and I'm happy there are a few independent companies putting good stuff out.






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