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I bought one of dem new Apple router thingies


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#1 of 48 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 03 2007 - 11:47 PM

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Yesterday I bought one of the new Apple Airport Extreme routers that
are ungodly expensive (like everything else Apple sells).

Did I need a new router? No, not really. To date I was using a Belkin
Pre-N wireless router that was quite powerful and actually did a really
good job of covering my entire home -- even providing adequate signal
strength to my back deck for those times I wanted to sit in the sun and
surf the Internet.

So why did I buy this Apple router? Well, a few co-workers bought one
and were gushing over the fact that they found it to be a lot faster than
the routers they had previously owned. They also bragged about the fact
that a printer or external drive could be plugged into the router's USB
port and be made available to every single computer on the network.

I think it was the capability of having an external drive hooked to
the router that could be accessed from my wired desktop and wireless
laptop that pushed me over the edge.

Setting up the router was fairly easy, which surprised me because
routers generally are the most tedious of computer peripherals to
try and set up. Instead of using a webpage to set up the router (as
is the case with most), Apple uses a setup assistant that is software
installed and embedded in the Utilities folder.

I had some initial problems setting up the router due to my own
ignorance. I placed a call to Verizon Fios who told me that
the Apple router would not work with their service because the IP
address is meant to communicate with their routers, and when it does
not, the address is not renewed. Had I listened to that "bull router would be on its way back to Apple. However, I was determined
to get this router working and simply set it up the way I did my
Belkin and it WORKED!

I was also able to easily add my Airport Express module that operates
my wireless printer to the network.

So, I am certain you guys are wondering if $179 buys you a
better router or not. Well, my initial findings is that the Apple
router gave me the same coverage as my Belkin Pre-N modem.
Signal strength was just as strong across my home. What I did
notice, however, was increased speed. Web page loads were
noticeably faster with the Apple router. It was if my system
suddenly got a nice kick in the pants.

I should stop here and say that I am using the "N" standard
across the board. I downloaded the software update for my
Mac Pro weeks ago to make it fully "N" compliant.

I then hooked up an external hard drive to the router using the
USB connection. You need to tell the Apple router whether you
wish to share this drive across the network. I told it to do so.
Like a charm, the hard drive appeared as an icon on my wireless
laptop and wired desktop.

The only problem I have with accessing that hard drive wirelessly
is that the connection is not very fast. I tried to access the drive
from my laptop and play some stored videos. My laptop had a
hard time playing those videos as the connection was obviously not
fast enough. So, it seems that while you can probably access and
transfer small files easily over the network, the connection absolutely
is too slow to even stream video content off of the hard drive.

All in all, I'm happy with the Apple Airport Extreme router for its
improved web browsing speed and ample signal strength within a
very large home. It's extremely easy to set up. The only minor
disappointment I have is over the rather sluggish remote access to
the external hard drive. I suppose this is to be expected, though I
would think the simple art of "streaming" videos off of it would have
worked much better.

Overall, a great router but extremely overpriced. Most people with
small homes/apartments/townhouses would fare just as well with a
$90-$100 Belkin or Linksys.

 

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#2 of 48 ONLINE   DaveF

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Posted August 04 2007 - 01:58 AM

Glad to hear you like it, Ron. I bought one with my MBP and I love it! With a $6 four-port USB hub, and I've got a networked photo printer and network hard-drive!

Friends have come over and connected to the network easily. It's trivial to change from 5GHZ 802.11n to 2.4 GHz 802.11g for them, and then back when they leave.

I had some troubles getting it setup initially, but a bit of experience-based intuition plus reading between the lines of the skimpy instructions got me going.

A few caveats
1) While you can network a multi-function printer with it, features like scanning or memory card access cannot be accessed through the AX. This seems to be a limitation of the technology in general and not printer specific.
2) External hard-drive access requires OS X 10.4. My wife's 10.3 machine can't use the drive.
3) It only has 10/100 Mb/s ethernet connections Posted Image Personally, I think it should have 1 Gb/s to match current Macs.

For me, this is a killer device and I highly recommend the AX for home users!

#3 of 48 OFFLINE   Andrew Pratt

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Posted August 04 2007 - 02:09 AM

The Airport Express isn't that expensive if you compare it to similar routers that have the external drive connection. I have one as well and its been soild and easy to use...like most apple products Posted Image

#4 of 48 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 04 2007 - 04:05 AM

Dave,

This brings up a very good question. Every single review of the
Apple Extreme I have read hits sorely upon the fact that the router
lacks 10/100 Mb/s ethernet connections.

My primitive knowledge of these connections gives me a lack of
understanding as to how this affects anything.

Does the downgraded connection affect hardwired Internet speed,
wireless Internet speed or transfer speed with a wired device?

Can you give me an idea of why this sort of inferior connection
is a problem? Thanks!

 

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#5 of 48 OFFLINE   Carlo Medina

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Posted August 04 2007 - 05:29 AM

Ron, do you have any non draft-N wireless devices connected? If so, how does that affect overall speed?

I have an older G wireless router, and I want to upgrade it and obviously am looking at this, but I heard that if you have non draft-N devices it will slow down the overall wireless speed. There are two laptops in the apartment who are not draft-N, while my MBP is.

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#6 of 48 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 04 2007 - 05:40 AM

I only have one laptop (Macbook Pro) which is N compliant.

Are you saying if someone comes in my home with a G compliant
laptop it will slow down the network?

 

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Posted August 04 2007 - 05:48 AM

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Does the downgraded connection affect hardwired Internet speed,
wireless Internet speed or transfer speed with a wired device?

The only time you'd see a reduction in speed is if you networked two or more machines with Gigabit or faster Ethernet installed. There's no residential Internet service that I'm aware of that is going to provide speeds of 100Mb.

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Posted August 04 2007 - 08:35 AM

Lacking Gb ethernet speed, currently, only affects wired LAN speed, and not wireless nor broadband 'net access as those are much slower.

It matters to me for the occaisional computer to computer copy of large (>10 GB) files. I also think it would speed copies to my external hard-drive, but I'm uncertain. It's a non-issue for most people, and I don't even know other routers in this class have Gb speed. But I'd like to have it.

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Posted August 04 2007 - 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
I only have one laptop (Macbook Pro) which is N compliant.

Are you saying if someone comes in my home with a G compliant
laptop it will slow down the network?
The reviews I've read state that it drops to the slowest connection speed. If someone uses G on your network, it will drop to G for all connections.

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Posted August 05 2007 - 07:27 AM

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The reviews I've read state that it drops to the slowest connection speed. If someone uses G on your network, it will drop to G for all connections.

That's not entirely true -- the speed drops significantly, but not all the way down to G speeds. The transfer speed between N devices with a G device on the network is about half of the maximum N speed, and returns to full speed when the G device disconnects.

It has something to do with how the N standard maintains backwards compatibility.

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Posted August 05 2007 - 06:34 PM

I bought one of these too. I don't have a need for Gigabit ethernet, so I don't mind its absence. I bought this device solely for 802.11n, since I am using Apple TV. This access point is able to stream 2 Mbps video files from my Mac mini to my Apple TV, no hiccups at all. Every Apple product I buy makes me love the company more and more.

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Posted August 06 2007 - 11:59 PM

You know what? As much as I love the Apple router, had I known
about this new router last week, I would have bought it instead.

 

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Posted August 07 2007 - 05:42 AM

Holy mother! Between that beast and the new iMac that Jobs is debuting as we type...I might be out almost $2K!!! Posted Image

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Posted August 07 2007 - 07:17 AM

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You know what? As much as I love the Apple router, had I known
about this new router last week, I would have bought it instead.
It looks great, but has a (for me) fatal flaw: no USB. There is NO WAY I'm giving up the USB port from which my laser printer hangs.

The main reason one regrets there is no gigabit on the AirportExtreme, is that you could hang a bunch of HDs off the USB -- and Belkin in their infinite wisdom gives you the gigabit, but takes away the USB... Grrr.
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Posted August 07 2007 - 07:40 AM

I'm with Ted. Love the USB on the AX. And I keep my router hidden, so I'd never see that cool screen, anyway.

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Posted August 07 2007 - 08:24 AM

Ha! Guess what -- Apple just upgraded the Airport Extreme to gigabit ports. Now it totally blows the Belkin out of the water -- USB and cheaper price.

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Posted August 07 2007 - 08:57 AM

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#18 of 48 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted August 07 2007 - 09:44 AM

Ted,

When do these new gigabit models come out?

I just bought my Apple router and if I can return and exchange
it I'd like to do so.

 

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Posted August 07 2007 - 09:50 AM

Bummer. Mine is well past the point and return / exchange Posted Image Oh well. I needed it the past two months and really couldn't have waited another two months to buy it.

See, this is what happens when I violate Fischer's Rule of Computers #2: "Never look at computer hardware for the six months following a purchase." Posted Image

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Posted August 07 2007 - 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein
Ted,

When do these new gigabit models come out?

I just bought my Apple router and if I can return and exchange
it I'd like to do so.
They are shipping now from store.apple.com

It will probably be a few days before Apple's B&M stores get them -- I just called the Soho store and they didn't have iLife '08 nor did they know when it was coming -- so definitely call ahead.

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