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#1 of 37 OFFLINE   Steve_Drake

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Posted April 14 2006 - 04:44 PM

currently have onkyo/ paradigm set-up. the onkyo 603 with a pair of focus and 4 atoms. My current sub is the paradigm PDR -10, it was fine, but i want something that rocks hard. My question is what SVS to get, the tubes or the cubes. Im looking at the 20-39 pc plus, or pb12 plus. My room is roughly 15 by 15. I am using it for 70% movies, but still want something that will totally shake things during parties with rap/ hip hop, also i like to listen to pop/punk/rock. Which one of these subs should i spend my hard earned dollars on, or should i be looking elsewhere for some bad ass bass. Thanks, Steve

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Posted April 14 2006 - 11:00 PM

I have had the PB12+ and that would be my recommendation. I upgraded after about a year to the Ultra versions simply for color match with my furniture when they first came out. Good Luck.

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Posted April 15 2006 - 12:26 AM

I`ve had the 20-39pci and +, and now have the pb12 and pb12/2plus. All of these subs are off the hook with the +`s being more powerful. Its just a matter of preference on the box or cylinder. I changed because one of the pb`s is going in my wifes living room so it acts as a coffee table. The other I just got a great deal on. So if u dont mind the looks of the cylinder they are cheaper than the box subs and they still look very nice.

#4 of 37 OFFLINE   Blaine_M

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Posted April 15 2006 - 12:28 AM

Well, I'd say the 20-39 Plus. The output between it and the PB-12 Plus are about the same, so why pay more for the PB-12 Plus (unless you want a wood finish). The 20-39+ costs less plus shipping is less. It also needs less floor space. Check out the response curves for each sub, they are very similar I think. Either way you can't go wrong. The PB-12 Plus will be bulky and take up a lot of space, I just got a PB-12 ISD/v which has the same box as the PB-12 Plus, it barely fites where I needed it, my wife said no to the 20-39 Pci or I might have gotten that.

#5 of 37 OFFLINE   scott>c

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Posted April 15 2006 - 01:08 AM

Exactly Blaine, the box is more expensive but has a much higher WAF value!!!!

#6 of 37 OFFLINE   Steve_Drake

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Posted April 15 2006 - 05:57 AM

Yeah im in college so the WAF is not applicable. So it sounds like the tube is the better value. Would there be another way to spend 800 bucks that would give me more or better quality bass? Also would it sound alright if i kept the paradigm PDR-10 (their 350 dollar sub) hooked up. Thanks, Steve

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Posted April 15 2006 - 06:25 AM

The only thing I can think of is DIY. Your first sub would come in around the same mark considering the cost of 15" driver, wood, amp (maybe pro amp?)and tools. If you have allot of other things going on and aren't really inclined to building more than one sub..I dont think I would recommend it. I would loose the PDR-10 and not try to incorporate it with the PC or PB12...it'll only pull your performance down.

#8 of 37 OFFLINE   Steve_Drake

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Posted April 29 2006 - 09:21 AM

Update:
Paradigm pw2100 at $700 or 25-31 pc plus at $795 shipped? I listened to the pw2100 today and was pretty impressed.

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Posted April 29 2006 - 10:59 AM

Steve, there is nothing Paradigm makes in terms of subwoofers that won't get its ass kicked by a similarly priced SVS. If you want your sub to do what you described in your original post, get the SVS. The 25-31 pc+ will be everything you want and more.
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Posted May 01 2006 - 05:43 AM

Going from the PDR-10 to the SVS PB-10 would already be a BIG improvement, so stepping up to any of the Plus line is going to be a jump in light years of performance. I agree with Alan, the 25-31PC Plus would be a great choice though I might still opt for the 20-39 Plus for more extension, and they will best the likes of most anything but the Servo 15 from 'digm (and even that would still be close).
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#11 of 37 OFFLINE   Steve_Drake

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Posted May 01 2006 - 07:14 AM

is the output difference between the 20 and the 25 that much different? do i really need those extra 5 hz?

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Posted May 01 2006 - 08:28 AM

If you're mostly wanting the sub to whoop your ass, then no. The 20-39 will do some damage too, just not quite as much. I owned both (the PCi versions, though) and I loved both. If pure visceral impact is what you're after, or what appeals to you most, get the 25. If you can trade off a LITTLE of that for the extension, then like John suggested, go for the 20. You'll love either of them, though, so don't think of it as some massive difference between the two. How big is your room, by the way?
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Posted May 01 2006 - 08:32 AM

Do you need that last 5hz? No.

... But, you really, really want it! True infrasonic bass is a particulary neat experience.


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Posted May 01 2006 - 09:25 AM

my room size...i dont know the exact numbers because i move in the middle of May, but its decent size, prolly like 15 by 15. I think i might end up going with the 25-30 pci plus. The reviews you guys give are all positive...is there anything negative? I was listening to the pw2100 this weekend and liked that, but people say that the svs will blow it away. who knows...

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Posted May 01 2006 - 10:09 AM

Okay, well in a room that size even one of the PCi models will knock you around. Either one of the plus versions will definitely give you what you're looking for. I don't personally see any drawbacks for the SVS product, but I also happen to really like the look of the cylinders. Some people either prefer the box cabinet or they have WAF issues. I'm the type of person will will choose the more unique product, all things being equal. You have a company that offers you great customer service, a great warranty, timely shipping, top bang for your dollar.....I don't know what else you could want out of a product line/company. You put a 25-31+ (or 20-39) in that room and you'll be back here shortly afterward singing its praises.
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Posted May 01 2006 - 11:20 AM

With the Plus models, you have the ability to change the tune via plugging or unplugging ports, but the 20-39+ has a native tune of 20Hz. That extra 5Hz can definitely make a difference, as TimJC notes Posted Image, but the 25-31+ will still give you output down low too, just not as much as the 20-39+. The difference will be, as AlanZ is saying, the 25-31 has a bit more output at the expense of a bit of extension, while the 20-39 flips on that with more extension and sligthly less output. In a room that size, the Plus will be great, but I agree, even a PCi will already be pretty impressive. Going with a Plus just means you won't be looking for a sub upgrade anytime soon Posted Image I've heard the PW-2200 and I like that guy...but the Plus SVSs will outperform it.
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Posted May 01 2006 - 12:42 PM

I've heard a 20-39 and owned a 25-31. I can say that its unlikely that you'd be able to audibly tell the difference between them unless you did a level-matched side-by-side comparison. Even then it would probably be close. Loved my 25-31. Never lacked for extension even in my very large room. The extra extension is mostly in the tactile range and the 25-31 already does mighty fine in that arena. At some point I actually prefer to have limited sub-harmonic response since it means less stress on the walls and fewer rattles to deal with. In fact, I've never heard ANY SVS owner complain about extension. What I do hear is guys missing some of that mid-bass "punch" that you get from many other subs. They usually get used to "the SVS sound" after a while. But I think the 25-31's are ideal in this respect. Enough of that punch so you won't find it lacking but not at all over-cooked. The loudest and smallest of all 3 cylinder sizes. That sounds just right to me.

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Posted May 01 2006 - 01:03 PM

cool, thanks for the help. i think the 25-31 plus matches what i want as far as budget and output. on a side note...any one want to buy a pdr 10?

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Posted May 01 2006 - 05:10 PM

Although there are a number of choices out there for good subwoofers. I would suggest the SVS it a great bang for the buck. When I was living in So. Cal. one of the members of this forum gave me a demo of his system. He was using a SVS sub along with Swan Diva speakers. I was impressed, the SVS sub got deep and you could feel the bass.

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Posted May 01 2006 - 05:39 PM

Steve, the 25-31 is my personal favorite, but I think the 20-39 is their most popular size. Just for some perspective, I've got the small PB-10/ISD right now in a 16x25 room and it's very impressive. I love my bass, but this little thing is so good that it's allowed me to focus on getting a projector, in addition to speaker and amp upgrades. I'll probably get myself back into a more powerful SVS later in the year, but the PB-10 has been quite the performer. I think John was happy with his PB-10 too, even though he's since upgraded to a DIY (??).

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