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#1 of 921 OFFLINE   Jim Williams

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Posted June 21 2004 - 01:28 AM

I just watched Nemesis for about the sixth time and seeing as how the ending was left very open, does anyone think that there might be another Star Trek movie? I know that the original cast has little interest in getting back into character, but do you think that there might be another movie with perhaps a different cast?
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#2 of 921 OFFLINE   Lou Sytsma

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Posted June 21 2004 - 03:05 AM

Probably - but not for a good number of years.
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#3 of 921 OFFLINE   Jack Briggs

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Posted June 21 2004 - 04:09 AM

Jim demonstrates stamina in seeing that last film six times.

Its poor performance at the box office pretty much spelled the death knell for any further films based on the TNG characters -- and almost spelled the end of all Star Trek films for good. Yet rumors of a new series of prequel films are making themselves heard. Bad idea (at least if Rick Berman has any control).

Overall, Star Trek in all its incarnations needs retiring for a long, long while (and I mean years). People are tired of it because Paramount went into overkill with all the series spinoffs and bad movies.

#4 of 921 OFFLINE   JonZ

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Posted June 21 2004 - 04:53 AM

Berman recently stated again that the next film will be a prequel.

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#5 of 921 OFFLINE   DanHaya

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Posted June 21 2004 - 05:14 AM

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Berman recently stated again that the next film will be a prequel.


Yeah, it sounds like they're talking about doing a trilogy of movies featuring a group of cadets at Starfleet Academy. Based on what I have read around the net, they would be totally new characters. No young Kirk or young Picard running around.

I still wish that they would do one more movie featuring the TNG cast. After watching Nemesis a few times on DVD and cable, it's not as bad as I one thought it was. Granted, it's not the best, but it had some good moments. I think the two main reasons it didn't gross much at the box office is 1) the bad reviews it got leading up to its release and 2) Paramount's porr decision to release it a week prior to The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. That pretty much killed it. The same thing happened to Star Trek V back in 1989...it came out at the same time that Batman did. So, even if it had been a better film, it still would've gotten crushed by LOTR.

If I had my wish, I would make one more TNG-era film. And I would try to incorporate some of the characters from DS9 and Voyager if possible. Perhaps a climactic Mirror Universe story...would be easier to have lots of cameos that way. Maybe even include Q in it somehow. If they brought back Ira Steven Behr (who, IMHO, had a great run with DS9), I'd be all for it!

Then, Star Trek needs to take a break for a good 5-10 years before coming back.

#6 of 921 OFFLINE   Darren Haycock

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Posted June 21 2004 - 05:28 AM

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I just watched Nemesis for about the sixth time


I'm sorry, are you being held somewhere against your will?

What they need to do is pull a "Picard wakes up and realizes Nemesis was just a dream so everything is as it was before that piece of crap happened" type of dealie.
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#7 of 921 OFFLINE   Jim Williams

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Posted June 21 2004 - 01:28 AM

I just watched Nemesis for about the sixth time and seeing as how the ending was left very open, does anyone think that there might be another Star Trek movie? I know that the original cast has little interest in getting back into character, but do you think that there might be another movie with perhaps a different cast?
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#8 of 921 OFFLINE   Lou Sytsma

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Posted June 21 2004 - 03:05 AM

Probably - but not for a good number of years.
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#9 of 921 OFFLINE   Jack Briggs

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Posted June 21 2004 - 04:09 AM

Jim demonstrates stamina in seeing that last film six times.

Its poor performance at the box office pretty much spelled the death knell for any further films based on the TNG characters -- and almost spelled the end of all Star Trek films for good. Yet rumors of a new series of prequel films are making themselves heard. Bad idea (at least if Rick Berman has any control).

Overall, Star Trek in all its incarnations needs retiring for a long, long while (and I mean years). People are tired of it because Paramount went into overkill with all the series spinoffs and bad movies.

#10 of 921 OFFLINE   JonZ

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Posted June 21 2004 - 04:53 AM

Berman recently stated again that the next film will be a prequel.

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#11 of 921 OFFLINE   DanHaya

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Posted June 21 2004 - 05:14 AM

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Berman recently stated again that the next film will be a prequel.


Yeah, it sounds like they're talking about doing a trilogy of movies featuring a group of cadets at Starfleet Academy. Based on what I have read around the net, they would be totally new characters. No young Kirk or young Picard running around.

I still wish that they would do one more movie featuring the TNG cast. After watching Nemesis a few times on DVD and cable, it's not as bad as I one thought it was. Granted, it's not the best, but it had some good moments. I think the two main reasons it didn't gross much at the box office is 1) the bad reviews it got leading up to its release and 2) Paramount's porr decision to release it a week prior to The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. That pretty much killed it. The same thing happened to Star Trek V back in 1989...it came out at the same time that Batman did. So, even if it had been a better film, it still would've gotten crushed by LOTR.

If I had my wish, I would make one more TNG-era film. And I would try to incorporate some of the characters from DS9 and Voyager if possible. Perhaps a climactic Mirror Universe story...would be easier to have lots of cameos that way. Maybe even include Q in it somehow. If they brought back Ira Steven Behr (who, IMHO, had a great run with DS9), I'd be all for it!

Then, Star Trek needs to take a break for a good 5-10 years before coming back.

#12 of 921 OFFLINE   Darren Haycock

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Posted June 21 2004 - 05:28 AM

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I just watched Nemesis for about the sixth time


I'm sorry, are you being held somewhere against your will?

What they need to do is pull a "Picard wakes up and realizes Nemesis was just a dream so everything is as it was before that piece of crap happened" type of dealie.
"Make ready, for this is our first and final battle..."

#13 of 921 OFFLINE   Leo Kerr

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Posted June 21 2004 - 07:32 AM

I guess I never saw the attraction to a lot of the TNG villians / characters.

I thought Q was a terrible idea.

I thought the Borg, while an interesting concept, was poorly implemented.

I thought that anyone who ever dreamed of doing a time-travel plot in TNG should have been plugged into 500KV for a couple of days.

And when they combined the Borg and Time Travel in First Contact, well...

(The reason why I put that specification on Time Travel in was I found ST-IV amusing, enough so that it didn't trigger my Time-Travel-Barf-Reflex.)

As for Nemisis, well... actually, I think it really holds to all Star Trek:

YOU CAN'T HAVE A UNIVERSE-DESTROYING WEAPON IN EVERY FILM!

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Posted June 21 2004 - 09:00 AM

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I think the two main reasons it didn't gross much at the box office is ...
I thought the main reason was that it was a bad Star Trek film.

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I hope they don't bother unless they first come up with a strong story that builds on the series and does justice to the characters (unlike the past two movies).

I enjoyed watching Nemesis, but as I reflected on it and talked with friends about it my opinion changed. I realized that it was a very poor Star Trek movie. Tossing in the Riker/Troy wedding with no build up was a mockery to the long-running tensions between the characters. The story, disconnected from previous ST stories, was a poor decision and made the movie feel like a mediocre 2-hour TV episode. Killing Data and replacing him with Data2 was cheap drama and a waste of such a tremendous event.

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Posted June 21 2004 - 10:41 AM

IMHO Nemesis is as good as Generations and easily better than the horrid Insurrection.

In ST:G, I cant get past the stupid way they destroyed the Enterprise D.
OK, they found a way to penetrate the shields, after all that Borg experience youd figure someone somewhere would say "why not rotate the shield modulation" -instead they go into a stupid theory of Ionic Pulses and whatnot.

Even without shields,I cant see a small Bird Of Prey going toe to toe with a Galaxy class ship.

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I found the first hour to be fun and enjoyable but it all goes downhill from there.

I would still like to see Riker and LaForge again,maybe with some other characters we know -Shelby,Barclay,Bashir,Paris for example.

Wait a few years,get rid of Berman,and bring in some fresh ideas. The Starfleet Academy idea wasnt good enough for TV so why make it into a film?

#16 of 921 OFFLINE   Sean Laughter

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Posted June 21 2004 - 02:35 PM

I want another TNG minus Picard and Data - they were so overplayed in the movies and I didn't give a crap about either of them after First Contact. I wanted more time with everyone else.

#17 of 921 OFFLINE   Pete-D

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Posted June 21 2004 - 09:43 PM

Personally I think Paramount should bring in Nicolas Meyer and give the TNG crew a proper send off. Star Trek II and Star Trek VI are both very well done.

And Brent Spinner/Patrick Stewart need to just lay off and play their roles instead of dominating the movies.

Obviously Star Trek will be back on the big screen, its just a matter of whether that will be in the next few years or way down the line.

#18 of 921 OFFLINE   Jim Williams

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Posted June 21 2004 - 11:31 PM

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Jim demonstrates stamina in seeing that last film six times.
It may not be the best ST movie (I personally think The Wrath of Khan is the best) but the battle sequences at the end are some of the best that I have seen. A great workout for any surround system.
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#19 of 921 OFFLINE   Bryan Tuck

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Posted June 22 2004 - 03:14 AM

I agree that Nemesis is an entertaining enough film on its own, and the final battle scenes are fun to watch. Like most people, though, I felt that as an entry in the series, especially if it is to be the last TNG film, it was just bad, and full of missed opportunities.

I'm with DanHaya; I would love to see another TNG-era film with characters from the different series. And it should be absolutely and unapologetically for the fans. I understand their wanting to allow mainstream audiences to enjoy it, but that doesn't mean they have to insult longtime fans like they did in Nemesis. I couldn't believe how much of the characters' backstories were just plain ignored (not really contradicted, but just forgotten about). And much of this information was relevant to the story they were trying to tell. Also, you have to remember that in its heydey, TNG was a fairly mainstream show itself; a lot of people watched it.

It's not impossible to please both fans and non-fans at the same time. Voyage Home is still the most successful of the movie series, and although I know some found it too silly, it was a true crossover hit. To this day, I hear people who hate Star Trek admit that "the one with the whales was okay." And yet, that film was full of references to previous films, and even specific episodes from the series. It can be done.

At any rate, I'm not sure about the whole prequel thing. Enterprise is starting to work, and I can understand wanting to go back and fill in some of the holes, but if we're going to have a completely new cast, why not go forward? That's what Star Trek has always been about, anyway. Show us how the Federation is dealing with the aftermath of the Dominion War, or move even further ahead and show us the early 25th-Century.

I dunno; these are just some ideas. There are always possibilities.
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Posted June 22 2004 - 03:58 AM

It may not have been the greatest film, but I think Nemesis was a victim of poor scheduling. I can't for the life of me figure out what Paramount was thinking putting it up against the fantasy juggernaut of The Lord of the Rings. I knew they were going to have their ass handed to them. It didn't take psychic ability to see that coming from a mile away.

Held until January/February, I think it would have doubled its grosses anyway.
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