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Best DVD-Player for $200-300? Without the Chroma Bug.


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#1 of 31 OFFLINE   Derek B

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Posted February 29 2004 - 11:46 AM

I am looking for a great DVD player for around $400. It will be combined with a Pioneer SD-643HD5 64" RPHD TV (1080i). I know there have been known issues with DVD players having the Chroma Bug and other problems. I want the best for $400. Am I able to get a good DVD player for this price. My entire system is Pioneer and was hoping to get a Pioneer DVD, but I have not read any good reviews for them. I do not care about SACD. I would like DVD-RW playback capability.

Also, is using a Digital coax or optical cable better than using a DVD players 5.1 channel output? My receiver has 5.1 channel input.

Someone who knows DVD players, please give me some options.
I need a good player quickly becuase my Pioneer DV-434 died on me.
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#2 of 31 OFFLINE   David C Lin

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Posted February 29 2004 - 12:12 PM

Just curious, what is this chromatic bug you mentioned?
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#3 of 31 OFFLINE   Derek B

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Posted February 29 2004 - 12:16 PM

Chroma bug, read here --->


http://www.hometheat....ug-4-2001.html

I found this list of non Chroma Bug DVD players http://www.hometheat....2001-list.html

Now I have to pick one. I am now willing to spend up to $400
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Posted February 29 2004 - 05:34 PM

I'd recommend the top-rated Faroujda-based Panasonic XP30. I got one a few months ago on EBAY for $250.

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Posted March 01 2004 - 03:10 AM

After reading posts on this forum and doing feature comparison, I decided to get the Harman Kardon DVD101. The high quality sound and video reproduction sold me on the unit. I compared it to the Denon DVD910, Panasonic D4743K, and others.


Vanns has it on sale for 237 w/ free shipping. The price is a 20% savings off of retail due to being a model being replaced by the DVD 31, due out soon. I should receive the unit in about a week. I will keep you posted on my thoughts.

I recommend you search this forum for reviews on the DVD101.

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Posted March 01 2004 - 04:21 AM

What kind of de-interlacer does the Harman Kardon DVD101 have?
I was considering that DVD player for a while and posted several messages about it, but no one seemed to know too much about the HK players.
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#7 of 31 OFFLINE   Don_Berg

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Posted March 01 2004 - 06:42 AM

The Harman Kardon DVD-100 is listed in the big Secrets DVD Benchmark and is way down the list in the ratings. It uses the old National Semiconductor Mediamatics de-interlacer, which is poor and is also used in the cheap JVC players. No way can it compare with the top-rated Faroudja de-interlacer used in the Denon DVD-910, Mitsubishi DD-8040, and Panasonic XP30 models.

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Posted March 01 2004 - 06:52 AM

They have not specified which one they are using. In searchiong out the Owners Manual from the online .pdf file this was all I could find out.

"On the video side, the DVD 101 offers progressive
scan video outputs for use with digital “HDTV-Ready”
display monitors. Using a high-speed, single-chip
digital processor, the DVD 101 is capable of reconstructing
the 3/2 pulldown effect introduced when
film-based programs are transferred to video. In
conjunction with precision video output DACs, the
end result is a full 60-frame-per-second image that is
the closest thing to film this side of your local cinema.
Of course, conventional Y/Pr/Pb component video,
S-Video and composite video outputs are also available
for use with analog televisions and video projectors."

The Video DACs are 10bit MPEG2. I pulled the following review of the DVD25, which is functionally equivalent to the DVD101.

"The video processor (from National Semiconductor Mediamatics) is a 10-bit/54MHz part when used in prog form, but it operates in 10-bit/27MHz with the standard output. With an interlaced signal from the S-video or RGB outputs, the picture quality is good; with very low chroma and luma noise levels, as well as strong, well saturated colours. Shadow detail is good too, aided no doubt by the low video noise levels. The picture definition is unlikely to disappoint. Overall, the DVD25 is a pleasing video player."


Hope that helps

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Posted March 01 2004 - 07:27 AM

The Secrets DVD Benchmark gives details on the de-interlacer in the HK DVD-101 and gives it a low rating. Indeed its the Mediamatics de-interlacer, a poor flag-reader that can't come close to the top-rated Faroudja de-interlacer. Check out the info on the HK DVD-101 here:
http://www.hometheat....deInt=0&mpeg=0

The HK DVD-101 is basically the same design as the much cheaper JVC model XV-N50BK which is under $100. At the >$200 price of the HK DVD-101, you could go for a much higher quality Faroudja-based model.

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Posted March 01 2004 - 08:23 AM

Thanks for the info.

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Posted March 01 2004 - 08:43 AM

Great thread!
Does anyone know the 'benifits' of the Faroudia Fli2310, as on the Denon DVD 5900, vs. the Fli2200 decoding engine, as the rest of the Denon line uses?
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Posted March 01 2004 - 04:41 PM

I am having trouble finding the Panasonic XP-30 or the XP-50 available anywhere except Ebay.

Is there a Panasonic Model that is either of the same quality or better anywhere on the Web? Help- I need to get this soon. What other models does Panasonic make that have the great visual performance with the added items as posted in this thread?

Thanks for the help!
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Posted March 01 2004 - 06:41 PM

No the XP30 and XP50 were the last models from Panasonic with the top-rated Faroudja de-interlacer. All of the current models use a low quality cheap one now. EBAY is your best bet or Sharper Image.

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Posted March 02 2004 - 05:07 AM

Don, I found one for a total including shipping for $350. Do you think it is worth it? Are there any comparable DVD Players coming out within the next month that are just as good?
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#15 of 31 OFFLINE   Don_Berg

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Posted March 02 2004 - 07:05 AM

No there are no other models even close for under $600, so I'd recommend going for it. Even at $350 the XP30 is worth it.

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Posted March 02 2004 - 08:56 AM

I found another one, only it is used. They guy wants $215 total and claims it is in good working and comsetic condition. Maybe I should buy this one too just in case the new one fails down the road.
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Posted March 02 2004 - 09:04 AM

I got my XP50 for $70 shipped , private sale! Posted Image

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Posted March 02 2004 - 09:30 AM

Thats a pretty good deal!

What does the XP50 have that the XP30 doesn't?
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Posted March 02 2004 - 09:55 AM

The XP50 adds support for DVD-audio format discs and DVD-RAM format read capability. I didn't need that stuff, so I went with the cheaper XP30. I got a used XP30 on EBAY a few months ago for $250 and it was in like-new condition with low hours usage. It works great.

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Posted March 02 2004 - 09:57 AM

Just my two cents, but $350 seems a little steep.
It would be a steal if we could assume that DVD player technology has ceased to advance and the XP30 is as good as it's going to get.
As with all technology, we know that this is not true. There will be continuing improvements and advances that will replace current technology. That's just the nature of the beast.
In fact, there's already an LG DVD player coming out (I apologize, I can't remember the model number) that is rumored to have a Faroudja de-interlacer, a DVI out, and a built in HDTV tuner. If memory serves my correctly, I believe it's supposed to be priced in the $450-$550 range. If this is true, there's probably no better bang for the buck.
Don't get me wrong, I too am a new owner of the XP30 (paid $227 for an all-region model), but I think the pricing has gotten out of hand.
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