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#1 of 12 Robert_Barlow

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Posted October 17 2003 - 06:06 PM

w/respect to the following problem; When playing just about any movie the dialouge is very quiet and I often have to turn the volume up so high that as soon as the movie cuts to action seen I am scrambling for the remote to turn it down(I live in an apartment). I realise that this is not a new issue and it has been a complaint by multiple folks, which is why I am trying to figure out how to improve my system to help reduce the problem.

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I have used Video Essentials to try and calibrate the system(w/my trusty RS Analog SPL meter). However, the problem is still the same.
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#2 of 12 Stephen Hopkins

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Posted October 17 2003 - 06:19 PM

I've been noticing the same thing lately w/ my setup (Elite 43TX Receiver, Swan's Diva 4.1, C3, 2.1 speakers, AV12 sub, Bravo D1 DVD). I think it's more our ears and how we expect a movie to sound. When you hear a 100db (or louder) explosion, the 70db conversation that follows is going to sound soft and hard to understand. Our ears adjust, and that adjustment takes time. Once they've adjusted back to the 70db dialogue, the next 100db explosion is going to sound extremely loud in comparison. When equipment gets to the point that it can reproduce sound so accurately and in such a wide dynamic range it gets to the point where the realism can actually hurt the enjoyment of the film. This is just my take on it, and there could be an explanation out there that makes more sense. If so i'd love to hear it, cuz playing remote-jockey throughout a whole movie is no fun indeed.

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Posted October 17 2003 - 06:28 PM

your processor/receiver should have a night/midnight/quiet mode that compresses the dynamic range. this is a pretty common feature, and would correct the problem.

one of two things is happening here - either your center or sub is not calibrated correctly, or that's just how the movie is supposed to sound.

#4 of 12 Chu Gai

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Posted October 17 2003 - 06:39 PM

this may be an issue of the placement of your center channel as well as the other speakers. if you haven't tilted your center channel down a bit to point it more directly to where your sitting, give it a shot. angled door stops work fairly well.

#5 of 12 Robert_Barlow

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Posted October 17 2003 - 07:38 PM

Nice to know I am not the only one Stephen Posted Image

As for the suggestions, I wil go back into VE and re-calibrate the sound portion and see if that helps. Thanks for the tilting suggestion for the center channel Chu. CUrrently mine is just sitting ontop of my tv laying flat. I will slide by home depot and pick up a couple door stops tomorrow! Posted Image

Thanks for all the quick responses!
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Posted October 18 2003 - 05:18 AM

Is your center behind or flush with the face of the TV? If so, try gettng the front baffle of the center in front of the face of the TV. Doorstops may be a bit too large of a tilt (depending on what you buy), so look around when you are at Home Depot, you may find other similar ideas.
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#7 of 12 John Robert

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Posted October 18 2003 - 06:16 AM

This may be an offshoot of the same theory but I moved my center to a shelf directly below my TV (from above) and it made a huge difference in dialog clarity and dynamic range. Like John said above, I'm careful to make sure that the speaker baffle extends slightly beyond the TV screen. Is this an option in your setup?

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Posted October 18 2003 - 10:20 AM

this may be an issue of the placement of your center channel as well as the other speakers. if you haven't tilted your center channel down a bit to point it more directly to where your sitting, give it a shot. angled door stops work fairly well.

I used to experience the same thing until I angled my center towards the listening position. Also make sure to recheck calibrations after angling because I got a 1dB increase by angling it.

#9 of 12 Jack Shappa

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Posted October 18 2003 - 10:30 AM

I moved my center forward a bit, and angled it towards the listening spot. It made a big difference. If after that (and after you've calibrated it) its still seems a bit soft, you can always just put a few more db into your center channel via the receiver's individual volume adjustment.

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Posted October 18 2003 - 10:38 AM

I commented on the center channel but I forgot to comment on the thread topicPosted Image. I would say the weakest link is the subwoofer in your system.

#11 of 12 Robert_Barlow

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Posted October 18 2003 - 11:06 AM

Unforutnetly JR, that isnt an option for my setup. I took a few digital pictures of my setup to post, but I am having a problem posting them.

I picked up some small doorstops and I played the Matrix 2 and the voices still seemed reallllly quiet.

JG - I did have it flush witht he front of the TV, but since I put the Doorstops under the rear I have moved it backa bit. Don't want any accidents Posted Image

I will work on getting some pictures up for those that are curious about my ongoing oddyssey Posted Image

FC + JS - Thanks, I will try that next! Posted Image
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#12 of 12 Eric Eash

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Posted October 18 2003 - 11:19 AM

i've heard alot of people say that the center channel on top is better, but i prefer having it on the bottom. it is also angled directly at the listener. also make sure to measure the distance from center to listener, and if your equipment has the option, which i'm sure it does, make sure it's spot on as far as distance goes. my center is also the same volume on test discs as every other speaker including my sub. i'm sure all of this is on the VE disc, but could get overlooked. you got a really nice system, and there's no reason it should perform like that, unless you haven't calibrated your ears lately, lol.
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