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The Definitve 200 -- A new "Best Album of All Time List"

Discussion in 'Music' started by Dave Hahn, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. Dave Hahn

    Dave Hahn Well-Known Member

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    Here is the story as reported by Amazon.com




    1.BEATLES – SGT. PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
    2.PINK FLOYD – DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
    3.MICHAEL JACKSON – THRILLER
    4.LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN IV
    5.U2 – JOSHUA TREE
    6.ROLLING STONES – EXILE ON MAIN STREET
    7.CAROLE KING – TAPESTRY
    8.BOB DYLAN – HIGHWAY ‘61 REVISITED
    9.BEACH BOYS – PET SOUNDS
    10.NIRVANA – NEVERMIND
    11.PEARL JAM – TEN
    12.BEATLES – ABBEY ROAD
    13.SANTANA – SUPERNATURAL
    14.METALLICA – METALLICA
    15.BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – BORN TO RUN
    16.PRINCE – PURPLE RAIN
    17.AC/DC – BACK IN BLACK
    18.ROLLING STONES – LET IT BLEED
    19.DOORS – DOORS
    20.GRATEFUL DEAD – AMERICAN BEAUTY
    21.SHANIA TWAIN – COME ON OVER
    22.WHO – WHO’S NEXT
    23.STEVIE WONDER – SONGS IN THE KEY OF LIFE
    24.FLEETWOOD MAC – RUMOURS
    25.PINK FLOYD – WALL
    26.ALANIS MORISSETTE – JAGGED LITTLE PILL
    27.NORAH JONES – COME AWAY WITH ME
    28.EMINEM – MARSHALL MATHERS LP
    29.OUTKAST – SPEAKERBOXX-LOVE BELOW
    30.DR. DRE – CHRONIC
    31.BEASTIE BOYS – LICENSED TO ILL
    32.GUNS ‘N ROSES –APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
    33.DIXIE CHICKS – WIDE OPEN SPACES
    34.MILES DAVIS – KIND OF BLUE
    35.EAGLES – HOTEL CALIFORNIA
    36.DEF LEPPARD – HYSTERIA
    37.SOUNDTRACK – GREASE
    38.MARVIN GAYE – WHAT’S GOING ON
    39.BEATLES – WHITE ALBUM
    40.SOUNDTRACK – SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER
    41.JIMI HENDRIX – ARE YOU EXPERIENCED?
    42.BEATLES – REVOLVER
    43.BOSTON – BOSTON
    44.BON JOVI – SLIPPERY WHEN WET
    45.U2 – ACHTUNG BABY
    46.WHITNEY HOUSTON – WHITNEY HOUSTON
    47.LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN II
    48.DAVE MATTHEWS BAND – CRASH
    49.ROLLING STONES – STICKY FINGERS
    50.GREEN DAY – DOOKIE
    51.LED ZEPPELIN – HOUSES OF THE HOLY
    52.JONI MITCHELL – BLUE
    53.ELVIS PRESLEY – ELVIS AT SUN
    54.AEROSMITH – TOYS IN THE ATTIC
    55.LAURYN HILL – MISEDUCATION OF LAURYN HILL
    56.BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – BORN IN THE U.S.A.
    57.50 CENT – GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN’
    58.AC/DC – HIGHWAY TO HELL
    59.NOTORIOUS B.I.G. – LIFE AFTER DEATH
    60.VAN HALEN – VAN HALEN
    61.GREEN DAY – AMERICAN IDIOT
    62.BLACK SABBATH – PARANOID
    63.EMINEM – EMINEM SHOW
    64.JEWEL – PIECES OF YOU
    65.COLDPLAY – RUSH OF BLOOD TO THE HEAD
    66.MEATLOAF – BAT OUT OF HELL
    67.USHER – CONFESSIONS
    68.KID ROCK – DEVIL WITHOUT A CAUSE
    69.GEORGE HARRISON – ALL THINGS MUST PASS
    70.BILLY JOEL – STRANGER
    71.EAGLES – HELL FREEZES OVER
    72.VAN MORRISON – MOONDANCE
    73.REM – AUTOMATIC FOR THE PEOPLE
    74.PHIL COLLINS – NO JACKET REQUIRED
    75.METALLICA – MASTER OF PUPPETS
    76.FAITH HILL – BREATHE
    77.JOHNNY CASH – AT FOLSOM PRISON
    78.JOHN COLTRANE – LOVE SUPREME
    79.PINK FLOYD – WISH YOU WERE HERE
    80.MICHAEL JACKSON – OFF THE WALL
    81.MARVIN GAYE – LET’S GET IT ON
    82.BOB SEGER – NIGHT MOVES
    83.PAUL SIMON – GRACELAND
    84.LINKIN PARK – HYBRID THEORY
    85.PRINCE – 1999
    86.DEF LEPPARD – PYROMANIA
    87.JANET JACKSON – CONTROL
    88.RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS – BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIK
    89.DIRE STRAITS – BROTHERS IN ARMS
    90.TUPAC – ALL EYEZ ON ME
    91.MATCHBOX TWENTY – YOURSELF OR SOMEONE LIKE YOU
    92.RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS – CALIFORNICATION
    93.LED ZEPPELIN – PHYSICAL GRAFFITI
    94.NELLY – COUNTRY GRAMMAR
    95.CREED – HUMAN CLAY
    96.CLASH – LONDON CALLING
    97.CELINE DION – FALLING INTO YOU
    98.NEIL YOUNG – HARVEST
    99.SOUNDTRACK – DIRTY DANCING
    100.DIXIE CHICKS – HOME
    101.TOM PETTY – FULL MOON FEVER
    102.VAN HALEN – 1984
    103.SOUNDTRACK – TITANIC
    104.CROSBY STILLS & NASH – DÉJÀ VU
    105.TLC – CRAZYSEXYCOOL
    106.BECK – ODELAY
    107.KENNY G – BREATHLESS
    108.NWA. – STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON
    109.SEX PISTOLS – NEVER MIND THE BOLLOCKS
    110.BEATLES – RUBBER SOUL
    111.RADIOHEAD – O.K. COMPUTER
    112.SIMON & GARFUNKEL – BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATER
    113.DIXIE CHICKS – FLY
    114.METALLICA – AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
    115.MICHAEL JACKSON – DANGEROUS
    116.MARIAH CAREY – DAYDREAM
    117.SOUNDTRACK – TOP GUN
    118.ELTON JOHN – GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD
    119.POLICE – SYNCHRONICITY
    120.NO DOUBT – TRAGIC KINGDOM
    121.ROLLING STONES – BEGGAR’S BANQUET
    122.R KELLY – R
    123.TOOL – LATERALUS
    124.OASIS – WHAT’S THE STORY MORNING GLORY
    125.BOB MARLEY – EXODUS
    126.JOURNEY – ESCAPE
    127.CHRISTINA AGUILERA – CHRISTINA AGUILERA
    128.JAY-Z – BLUEPRINT
    129.ALICIA KEYS – DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS
    130.SOUNDTRACK – O BROTHER WHERE ART THOU?
    131.CARS – CARS
    132.ENYA – DAY WITHOUT RAIN
    133.NATALIE COLE – UNFORGETTABLE WITH LOVE NATALIE COLE
    134.SOUNDTRACK – FOOTLOOSE
    135.LIONEL RICHIE – CAN’T SLOW DOWN
    136.SARAH MCLACHLAN – SURFACING
    137.BONNIE RAITT – NICK OF TIME
    138.METALLICA – RIDE THE LIGHTNING
    139.SHERYL CROW – TUESDAY NIGHT MUSIC CLUB
    140.FRANK SINATRA – IN THE WEE SMALL HOURS
    141.EARTH WIND FIRE – GRATITUDE
    142.ZZ TOP – ELIMINATOR
    143.WILLIE NELSON – RED HEADED STRANGER
    144.JOHN LENNON – IMAGINE
    145.TONI BRAXTON – TONI BRAXTON
    146.ETTA JAMES – AT LAST
    147.ELVIS PRESLEY – ELVIS PRESLEY
    148.CAT STEVENS – TEA FOR THE TILLERMAN
    149.SMASHING PUMPKINS – MELLON COLLIE & THE INFINITE SADNESS
    150.DAVE BRUBECK – TIME OUT
    151.JANET JACKSON – JANET
    152.QUEEN – A NIGHT AT THE OPERA
    153.OZZY OSBOURNE – BLIZZARD OF OZZ
    154.WILL SMITH – BIG WILLIE STYLE
    155.PRINCE – SIGN OF THE TIMES
    156.PUBLIC ENEMY – IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK
    157.BOB DYLAN – BLOOD ON THE TRACKS
    158.GEORGE MICHAEL – FAITH
    159.BOYZ II MEN – COOLEYHIGHHARMONY
    160.DESTINY’S CHILD – WRITING’S ON THE WALL
    161.JAY-Z – BLACK ALBUM
    162.AVRIL LAVIGNE – LET GO
    163.FUGEES – SCORE
    164.MADONNA – LIKE A VIRGIN
    165.LED ZEPPELIN – LED ZEPPELIN
    166.STEVIE RAY VAUGHN – TEXAS FLOOD
    167.STONE TEMPLE PILOTS – CORE
    168.ORIGINAL CAST – PHANTOM OF THE OPERA HIGHLIGHTS
    169.JETHRO TULL – AQUALUNG
    170.TUPAC – ME AGAINST THE WORLD
    171.DAVID BOWIE – RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST
    172.SHAKIRA – LAUNDRY SERVICE
    173.SOUNDTRACK – FORREST GUMP
    174.AL GREEN – CALL ME
    175.CURTIS MAYFIELD – SUPERFLY
    176.LIVE – THROWING COPPER
    177.GEORGE BENSON – BREEZIN’
    178.WHITE STRIPES – WHITE BLOOD CELLS
    179.LYNYRD SKYNYRD – PRONOUNCED LEH-NERD SKIN-ERD
    180.SADE – DIAMOND LIFE
    181.FLEETWOOD MAC – FLEETWOOD MAC
    182.PAUL MCCARTNEY & WINGS – BAND ON THE RUN
    183.BEYONCE – DANGEROUSLY IN LOVE
    184.ANITA BAKER – RAPTURE
    185.NAS – IIIMATIC
    186.BARBRA STREISAND – A STAR IS BORN
    187.EARTH WIND FIRE – THAT’S THE WAY OF THE WORLD
    188.ANITA BAKER – RHYTHM OF LOVE
    189.JAY-Z – IN MY LIFETIME VOL 1
    190.LL COOL J – MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT
    191.STEELY DAN – AJA
    192.WILLIE NELSON – STARDUST
    193.ARETHA FRANKLIN – SPARKLE
    194.ANDREA BOCELLI – ANDREA
    195.BOB DYLAN – BRINGING IT ALL BACK HOME
    196.LUTHER VANDROSS – NEVER TOO MUCH
    197.U2 – ALL THAT YOU CAN’T LEAVE BEHIND
    198.RUSH – 2112
    199.OUTKAST – AQUEMINI
    200.GRAND FUNK RAILROAD – WE’RE AN AMERICAN BAND[/quote]

    There are a few I'd move up, a few I'd move down, a few I'd take off the list, and add at least one that belongs in any list of Rock Albums:

    Love's Forever Changes

    [​IMG]
     
  2. TravisR

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    I think this list (like all Top 10 or 25 or 100, etc. lists) should be looked at in alphabetical order and just ignore chronological listing. No one's ever going to agree with it or like it. I have to say that they covered alot of areas of popular music though- how many times do you see Barabra Streisand on a list with Tool? [​IMG]

    That being said, there's glaring omissions to my mind and ludicrously high and undeserving titles on there.
     
  3. Ryan L. Bisasky

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    i think alot of those albums seem to be on their due to the amount of copies they have sold, not the quality of the album (black album, hybrid theory, Human Clay.) And I am sorry, but I like Avril and her music and what not, but more essential then Rush's 2112, and the first Led Zeppelin album??
     
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    171. DAVID BOWIE – RISE AND FALL OF ZIGGY STARDUST

    One Bowie album and it comes in at #171.

    Ziggy @ #171? The album a lot of music experts tout as the most influental album in the whole decade that was the 70's @ #171.

    but....... at #57........

    57. 50 CENT – GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN’

    Me thinks this is a very flawed poll.
     
  5. Eric_Connelly

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    Who wrote this?

    From a change standpoint I would have put ...And Justice for All way above the Metallica-Metallica(Black) Album.

    It was the first time a metal band was given some news in the mainstream media, which Metallica promptly ruined by most likely one of the absolute WORST TV performances...I think it was the Grammys? There performance of One was painful to watch and at the time a big disappointment to me.

    Prince has 3 albums on the list although I would have moved them up a bit.

    Shania Twain at 21 makes no sense to me, nor does Norah Jones as high as she is and Aerosmith as low as they are.
     
  6. Matt Fisher

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    Santana's Supernatural in the top 15!?

    And apparently music didn't really exist before 1950
     
  7. Luna5

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    Dixie Chicks in the top 200 of all time? Not that their music is bad but as mentioned in other posts there are a lot more albums tha have stood the test of time that are not in this list. Check back in 10 or 15 years on the Chicks and we'll see were they stand in time.
     
  8. Eric Peterson

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    I was waiting for somebody to start the discussion on this list. I have to say that I'm a lover of lists, because they're fun to debate, but this is the worst one that I've seen in a LOOOOOONG time!!

    Major issues:
    1. NO Talking Heads - Where the hell is "Remain in Light" or "Fear of Music"
    2. Only one Police album and it's "Synchronicity". IMHO it's their worst.
    3. Metal is left to 4 Metallica albums and Black Sabbath's Paranoid (HUH?)
    4. NO RAMONES!!!!
    5. NO Peter Gabriel!!!
    6. RAP is almost entirely represented by artists from the mid 90s on.
    7. Only one Sinatra album from his streak of brilliant capitol albums
    8. Jazz is represented by one Davis & one Coltrane album.
    9. THREE Dixie Chicks albums?
    10. Shania Twain at 21 - Why not include Garth Brooks or Billy Ray Cyrus?
    11. Where is the Cure (Disintegration anyone?)...or Depeche Mode (Violator?)

    I don't have as big of an issue about older albums missing because prior to 1960, music was more of a single format. The album format was just beginning to form and didn't take off until the late 50s, so it makes sense that some early artists are missing.

    However, there are still huge wholes and albums that are only present due to albums sales.

    Overall, one of the most mockable lists that I've ever seen. I reviewed my personal Top 25 and only TWO are represented on this list. I know that I have fairly eclectic tastes, but most of what I've listed above is fairly mainstream.
     
  9. Sheldon C

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    As a Metallica fan, when I noticed that the Black Album was #14 and Master of Puppets was #75 it lets me know right off the bat that quality music took a back seat to the music that sold more albums. I assume that's the method used on most of the pics.

    Not that being popular is always bad, but usually the popular stuff is over-rated IMO.
     
  10. dany

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    I've had enough of lists. How about a top ten of lists?
     
  11. MikeH1

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    No Inxs Kick?

    And as was mentioned, where's the 80s hip hop? We got a crappy band like Creed at #95 but no NWA?

    Something is amiss....
     
  12. Dave Hahn

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    I posted this because it seemed somewhat absurd.

    Jazz: No Louis Armstrong? [​IMG]

    Swing: No Benny Goodman? [​IMG]

    Rock: No Moody Blues? [​IMG]

    Granted, both Armstrong and Goodman were known for their singles, but in their later careers they both put out some fine albums.

    And Days of Future Passed by the Moody Blues was a landmark rock album.
     
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    I am not a Metallica fan but I don't see why there is still so much hate for The Black Album. 16 years on and the album continues to sell more annually than many current albums do. Apparently they did something right with that album because it's become Beatles/Floyd/Zeppelin territory in the sense that it just keeps on attracting new fans every year. Isn't that what a legendary album is supposed to be?
     
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    I dont' want to sidetrack the thread, but you answered your own question with the first four words


    Most early Metallica fans saw the black album as such a drastic change in style and obvious attempt to sell more records that they still haven't forgiven them for it 15 years later. (Pretend that Led Zeppelin put out a polka album) Although, I liked the album at first I never cared for it as much as the earlier efforts. I can also honestly say that I have not played my copy of the black album for at least 10 years. It holds no interest for me. The songs are simple, basic, straight forward hard rock songs and only two of them "Sandman" & "Wherever I May Roam" have a memorable riff.

    As Homer would say "BORING!"
     
  15. Jay_B!

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    well, I know a lot of Metallica fans who hate albums like Load and St. Anger, but The Black Album has definately become a modern-day classic and a lot of people seem to classify it alongside albums like Back In Black and Zeppelin IV. Apparently there's something Black has that the other two albums Metallica's done haven't considering Black Album keeps attracting new fans year in and year out, while Load and St. Anger seem to be viewed as products of their era and only hardcore Metallica fans will buy copies of them these days to replace older copies. It's been sixteen years and it seems like you can't kill that album.

    As a whole, aren't the most commercially successful albums usually hated by the diehards? Hell, I know Nirvana fans who loathe Nevermind for being too mainstream and Beatles fans who hate Sgt. Pepper and Abbey Road, preferring "Revolver". I've even encountered Michael Jackson fans who consider "Thriller" a blemish on his catalog next to his other albums. Considering all of those, wouldn't The Black Album's lack of popularity with the diehard fans be fitting?
     
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    Actually, Straight Outta Compton comes in at 108. Although, I think Creed beating NWA is proof that god is dead. [​IMG]
     
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    Not a lot of representation from the progressive rock genre (Genesis, Kansas, King Crimson, Dream Theater, etc.) The fact that Grand Funk is even on the list pretty much invalidates it having any merit.
     
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    Ahhh I missed that Travis. I even double checked the list!

    Regardless, too many holes in this list IMO for it to be even close to a "Definitive 200".
     
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    Totally agree. I was very disappointed not to find Genesis on there. Three Dixie Chicks, Creed and some other stuff, but no Genesis?
     
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    I'm not going to argue the order of the albums on the list (with the exception of Queen's "Night at the Opera" being so low at #152) as it's never easy to place them in order.

    However, there is a lot of fluff on this list. I don't have a problem with a Dixie Chicks album being on the list, but 3 of them? No jazz except for one Miles Davis and one John Coltrane album?

    Then there's Creed, Shania Twain, Phil Collin's "No Jacket Required", Faith Hill, Matchbox Twenty, Top Gun Soundtrack, Footloose Soundtrack, Avril Lavigne, Shakira? (to name a few). There are albums that I dont like but understand their being on the list, but these ones are very questionable in my opinion.
     

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