What other DLP's compare with the Sharp XV-Z10000U?

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  1. Kenneth Harden

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    Same price/quality area. I have seen and like that projector, but in the DLP field (I am trying to compare apples to apples), what else compares to it? Same price, also [​IMG]

    Also, completly unrelated, is it morally wrong to rob a bank if you REALLY want something?
     
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    The easiest way to answer this is to compare it first to the same generation of other HD2 projectors...

    - Toshiba MT8
    - Infocus 7200
    - Marantz VP12S2
    - Sim2 HT3200
    - Dwin TV3
    - Optoma H76
    - Yamaha DPX1000
     
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    Why don't you just embezzle something? Much less risky and if you do it only once, you might get away with it.

    Many years ago, the company I worked for contracted with a local bank to do their data processing. I knew all the files and all the programs. I had the ability to change any number in any account (no one at the bank knew I could do this or the bank examiners would have been down on us). I could have, were I so minded, manipulated accounts and made myself rich without anyone knowing about it because I could have changed any file, report or display to give the correct numbers! A lot of work though. The fact that I am trying to scape enough money together to get a decent front projector attests to the fact that I am either a.) honest or b.) gutless.
     
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    Ken,

    You might want to check out the new projectors based on the HD2+ chip. They might be over your budget though. The cheapest I think so far is the InFocus 7205 at around 1K.
     
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    Poor Runco--Is it not interesting that they are never mentioned as even an equal to Sharp? Guess it tells us something about Runco quality.
     
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    I would not say that [​IMG] But price is also another consideration. The Runco CL710 is most definitely a great pj.
     
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    In what regard is the CL710 better than the Sharp 10000? T o be specific, I am only interested in sharpness of focus.
     
  8. Kenneth Harden

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    I bet Office Space is one of your favorite movies. [​IMG]

    I think most people will come across a situation like that at work, whether it be the gardener who has a chance to pocket $500 from a big job, or an accountant for Enron...

    Anyway, I need to look around town and see who has what. I need to see if the DLP 'strobing' is an issue for me or not.
     
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    I was blown away by the picture quality of the Runco and Vidicron DLP projectors at CEDIA. They both had incredible color, fantastic gray scale performance, good detail, and good contrast for DLP's. They were getting near HD quality from DVD's. On the other hand, the Yamaha and SIM2 DLP's left me underwhelmed. The Yamaha had poor convergence-like lens problems, and IMHO the SIM2 folks just didn't have a clue on how to get a good picture from DVD (grainy with video noise and poorly calibrated). If I remember right, the Sharp was too washed out from ambient light to make a judgement.

    Chad
     
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    Hey Chad,

    I'm curious as to other people's opinions about the Marantz Did you get to see it? If so how did you think it compared to the other HD2+ machines? Personally I thought it looked the best (but I didn't get around to seeing the Runco or Vidikron).

    David Giles
     
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    One thing that has to be considered, of course, is that any projector will only look as good as the way it's set up. I've seen some great projectors looking absolutely horrible when not properly displayed. And this doesn't necessarily have anything to do with where you do your viewing. Some of the so-called "high end" stores sometimes use very "low-end" set-ups so don't get misled into thinking it has to be set up right just because it's in a fancy shop(pe).

    The bottom line: Any discussion of Projector A vs. B vs. C, etc. is greatly influenced by the way it's presented. One would hope that shows like CEDIA and respected review publications take the time to do it right, but that's not the bottom line on these things. The best they can do is to narrow your range of selections and then you have to let your eyes and your pocketbook zero in on contenders.

    On a personal note, when I took my SONY VW10HT (one of the early 16:9 LCD FPs) out of the box it took a lot of seat of the pants tweaking (with the help of friends and reviewers) to get what I considered a very nice picture for the price. Such is the lot of a "bleeding edger." Very few others with hands-on experience. I spent many hours on the Internet and on the phone sharing possible settings and parameters with other trailblazers.

    When I took my Runco CL-710 out of the box it was literally "plug and play." It was set up perfectly from the factory (the 6500K setting was spot on). Not only a much nicer picture (4 years of advances in technology and DLP vs. LCD inherrent differences tend to do this) but it was a much nicer installation experience.

    And just the other day my copy of Joe Kane's Digital Video Essentials arrived (an excellent title that should be in any serious HT collection). As I went through all the VIDEO steps I was amazed at how well my CL-710 is adjusted. In other words, I didn't have to change a thing. (The old," If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach.)

    Keep your eyes open when looking at all these FP's but also take a close look at how they're set up!
     
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    Oh it makes me feel *so good* to see HTF members talking about front-projection [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Runco's specs have extremely low contrast ratio (800:1?).. how does this look compared to the Z10000U 3000:1 contrast ratio?

    I am VERY sensitive to having best blacks possible.. dismissed Runco on that issue alone...
     
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    David,

    I might not have seen the Marantz. I saw one in the Texas Instruments section, but I can't remember if it was the Marantz or a different one.
    About the low rated contrast on the Runco... I bet if you compared the two side by side after calibration, the difference would be much smaller or maybe even imperceptible. I know Runco showed lots of dark scenes, and the black was very good. There was an incredible amount of detail apparent in the dark grays, and it was never washed out. The blacks looked deep. The dark grays were just the right shade of gray (no green, blue, or red tint), which is both a testament to their good setup/calibration job and the projector. The image was also plenty bright and quite punchy. The most revealing test would have been to display a pluge pattern, though. I will say, previous to CEDIA, I was not a big Runco fan. I thought they were a little overpriced and not substantially better than the competition. I've changed my mind, even though I admit some of the greatness I saw was due to excellent setup/calibration work on their part. But the bottom line is, you can't get a picture like that from most ordinary projectors no matter how great the setup job.
     
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    Interesting that you say that about Runco, considering that they really don't make any of the projectors they sell. They take OEM equipment from other sources, tweak the performance and the case and put the Runco name on it. You do get excellent service and a fully tweaked projector for your money, and how much that is worth is up to you. If their lamp life specs are accurate, then they need to work on that. 1000hrs. is way too short, epecially for the price paid.

    I will say this for the HD2's: they are far more alike in terms of overall PQ than they are different. From Runco to BenQ ( [​IMG] [​IMG] ), it's all about implementation and setup. Infocus has optimized their setup for brightness, Marantz and SIM2 for contrast and black level and every one else falls somewhere in between. You really have to see these projectors in person and tweak them yourself to see what they're really capable of before making a decision.
     
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    Lots of good commentary here about FPs and I concur with the majority of the statements. I would like to reiterate that the final judge has to be your eyes, not the specs. Contrast ratios and lumens only take you so far on paper. It's whats on the screen that counts.

    Every manufacturer claims this or that about their products in their literature and zeroes in on their own favorite specs (Runco seems to tout "Foot Lamberts" instead of Lumens) but the bottom line is what the picture looks like.

    It's great to do your homework, but make sure that the assignment includes a couple of well placed field trips. A Front Projector is not something you purchase sight unseen, unless it is impractical to see units in person and you are going by the opinion of someone you trust. Even then it would be wise to purchase from a dealer offering a trial period in case things don't look as good as the sound on paper.
     

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