What does the iPhone 3G need?

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  1. DaveF

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    For all the love of the new iPhone, it seems there's equal annoyance and disappointment with it. I'm curious what people think it needs -- not necessarily an "I wish..." list, but what important feature is lacking that keeps you from upgrading or leaves you disappointed with the whole affair.

    I'm really impressed by the iPhone. I lust for one. [​IMG] But being married and having a budget, I don't see it in my future. Were cash not a concern, the one major roadblock is AT&T. Until the iPhone is available on Verizon, I doubt I'd go for it, even if I found an extra $1000 to spend on a phone.

    After that, lack of Cut-and-Paste, no syncing for Notes ,and no ToDo app seem braindead to me. But I want a fully integrated PDA / phone more than phone with a killer web browser.
     
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    Dave, if Verizon is a support is a show-stopper for you (and if AT&T service is bad in your neck of the woods, I certainly understand), don't bother with the other stuff, because Verizon availability isn't happening: Verizon CEO to Steve Jobs: Drop Dead

    El Jobso isn't known for his sense of humor. Unless Verizon fires CEO Ivan Seidenberg and does major groveling -- no iPhone for them. (There is a precedent -- Pixar refused to renew with Disney until they got rid of Eisner who had also dissed Apple/Jobs in various ways).
     
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    Dave - cut and paste is one of a number of items that will happen via the store - iClarified - Apple News - MagicPad Features Copy and Paste for iPhone
    It's possible they think the calender & contacts are enough of a PDA. I'll bet there are plenty of devs who have just what you want, but are waiting in the approve que.

    I hate all carriers, so mum [​IMG]

    My main hold at this point is QC.
     
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    Since you can already create appointments --- and even sync them with your office --- I don't see the absence of a "To-Do" list as a show stopper. (Heck you could just enter them into a note ...). In any event, with the "App Store" up now you can be sure that any perceived lack of functionality will be fillled by a third-party developer.

    The only real deficiency of the iPhone is the lack of an ability to switch out the batteries.
     
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    It's like switching banks: I could do it if sufficiently motivated, but there's not enough reason yet. V's CEO's comments: crazy!
     
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    This has been one of my few complaints with the the iPhone and OS X for that matter. I actually prefer MS Outlook's way of handling tasks. [​IMG] Since I prefer the Mac and use an iPhone, I've tried to adapt to Calender, but it is clunky and doesn't work the way I'd like it to work.
     
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    I agree. It does serve as another notice to Apple (hopefully) The real thing would be global in the system - no app.
     
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    Apple are well aware of that and they are working on copy/paste -- it just hasn't made it in yet.
     
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    The rumor right now is that Apple has one final iPhone release
    planned for late next year that will be the "ultimate" phone that
    everyone had hoped for. It should also be out in time for the next
    broadband upgrade (4G?).

    Consider this only rumor.
     
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    I expect a bump to 32GB and possibly a longer lasting battery by Christmas.

    Other nice to haves:
    Voice Dialing
    Stereo Bluetooth
    Copy n Paste

    Even if it doesnt get those tho I'm swapping over once my contract is up round the 1st of the year.
     
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    Another key weakness for the iPhone and other smart phones: no voice dialing!

    I don't get it. My basic 2-yr old phone does voice dialing over a bluetooth earpiece. Why don't the super phones do this? And how do people survive without it?


    I don't follow cell phone news much. But it seems 3G / cell broadband is only now moving into the mainstream. Is there likely to even be a 4G service next year? (maybe so. I'm not up on these things.)

    A coworker showed me the bubble-level app for the iPhone. Very cool [​IMG] He also told me that he uses it to diagnose the random failures of the accelerometer subsystem. Very Uncool [​IMG]
     
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    This rumor (source?) is guaranteed wrong in two respects:
    There will never be "one final iPhone release" unless Apple decides to close its business and return the money to its share holders (apologies to Michael "OK, so the Pocket DJ went down in flames, but now we have Rob Enderle working on our new MP3 player" Dell). Every year or so there will be a new iPhone model or models. New faster CPUs, better batteries, better cameras, video, greater capacity, smaller form factor, higher rez. screen... sky is the limit.


    Second, AT&T is barely rolling out their 3G network. 4G sufficiently operational by NEXT year for a 4G iPhone release? Highly doubtful.
     
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    According to this Steve Jobs says that a firmware fix is on its way.
    As I still have my 2G iPhone, I can't speak from experience, but lately in New York City AT&T's Edge (2G) performance has been deteriorating badly. I get full five bars at my office but lately Edge has been slooooooooooooooooooow. I'm guessing that in highly populated, upscale urban areas, AT&T's data network (be it 2G or 3G) is getting overwhelmed.

    I don't think that AT&T (along with Apple or anyone else) came anywhere close to anticipating iPhones sales/popularity. And as we know iPhone users consume orders of magnitude more data than any other mobile device. Bottom line -- AT&T needs to beef up the network.

    It would appear that there is an iPhone issue of some sort as well, best guess is that it handles switching back and forth between 3G and Edge really badly. Of course there may be other stuff as well.

    But, I don't think that ANY mobile network ANYWHERE in the world has previously experienced iPhone caliber data demands. When people parade reports of problems in London as proof that AT&T is blameless, I think they are missing the point -- huge surge in data demand == network problems. I think that cell carriers worldwide will get a handle on it, and Apple will fix the glitches on their end, but no one has been prepared for the iPhone's popularity, and catching up will take time.
     
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    Personally I think the iPhone should have come with two cans
    and string.

    A lot of unhappy iPhone owners these days where I work.
     
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    All play and no work makes Apple a dull boy.
     
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    Not sure I get it -- if anything Apple's problem is the opposite -- they have been working way too hard to get any number of project out on a strict schedule -- and the result have been mixed at best. They need a little more play and less work to regroup.

    So, did any of you 3G sufferers load the new iPhone 2.0.2 firmware -- does it improve the quality of the string between the two cans?
     
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    Yeah, I am a bit mystified by Eric's response as well.

    Everyone within my personal community has seen no major
    performance boost with the 2.0.1 firmware. Since 2.0.2 was
    released yesterday it will be a few days before I know the
    results of that upgrade.

    In fact, yesterday one of my co-workers returned his iPhone to
    the Apple store for dropped call problems and was promptly given
    a replacement.

    For me, the "awe" of this phone has worn off. I rarely use any of
    the apps I downloaded. Thus, I am left with a device that hardly
    works well as a phone or business tool.

    The next purchase I need to make is the Juice Pack due out next
    month. That should get me through a single day without completely
    draining the battery of the iPod which seems to be a daily ritual.
     
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    'All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' An old saying/proverb. Also used in the Shining (Kubrick) to great effect.

    Apple put a product out that you can play with (most apps are useless games) that doesn't work in the most important areas (communication). The Apple shiny is dull.

    OK?
     
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    my first gen iphone seems to work very well.
    as a phone and as a little game player.

    i have no complaints.

    now there are people who have the 2nd gen iphone
    who are saying the iphone is...

    "a device that hardly
    works well"

    it took 2 iphones t figure that out?
    the second one is marginally better then the first one as far as i can figure.

    so you already knew what you were getting when you ought it again this summer.
    new apps are showing up every day.
    there is bound to be something that can do what you need
     

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