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Lew Crippen

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I wanted to re-watch Ordet before writing much about the film. Now I’ve done so, I’ll put down a few thoughts about the film and why it particularly appeals to me. I know already that it is not a film that will appeal to everyone—or probably even to many.

Early in the film comes the only moment of humor—when the new preacher asks the patriarch of the farm, Morten Borgen what drove his son Johannes mad (at university), Borgen replies, “Soren Kierkegaard”, which I think anyone who ever had to read Kierkagaard while doing their own studies would appreciate. The more so if you were Danish, as Kierkagaard was born in Jutland, the location of Ordet of a farm family presided over by a forceful, brilliant (though formally uneducated), fiercely religious father.

Kierkagaard (the prototype of the melancholy Dane) went on to study theology at university (all of this has a point—I think) and wrote a number of philosophical books, primarily concerned with religion and how one should live ones life. In particular, many of you will have read Either/Or, his first book. If you will recall, this book presents the reader with two choices and attempts to force one to make a choice between two ways of life: the aesthetic and the ethical. I’d go on but I am fast coming to the limits of what I remember—I could no longer pass this course.

In any case, consider that Dreyer has presented us with two ways of living a Christian life in Ordet: that followed by Borgen and his family, which we may think of as a parallel to Kierkagaard’s aesthetic, where religion largely celebrates life, and the one followed by Peter the tailor and his family representing the ethical. Dreyer brings this up in several guises, one where Morten, attempting to comfort his widowed son says, …”she is in heaven”. To which the son, Mikkel famously replies, “But I loved her body too”. As an aside, I conclude that Dreyer is not necessarily in agreement with Kierkagaard (who concluded that the life of the aesthetic was unfulfilling).

For me, there is also intertwined with this theme, one that is more fundamental to the Christian religion: whether man is saved by works or faith. Here Dreyer and the film have a firm answer (and one which should only be addressed in spoilers—so I’ll leave this for the time being).

Now aside from all of the discussion on the meaning of the film, there are many things of technical interest. For example, I find the cinematography and the set designs to be simply stunning. The farmhouse interior, where most of the film occurs is precise with every object clear and distinct and placed with purpose: from the large portrait of Morten prominently displayed on the wall to clock ticking away. The lighting is outstanding. Note for example the scene where Johannes is comforting the little girl. Even though he is holding her, she is radiant, bathed in light, while Johannes’s face (and body) are in the shadows.

In fact, Johannes is not lit until the final scene, lending even more weight to his transformation.

Or consider the long, fluid takes. Dreyer’s actors move and the camera moves at a slow, languid pace, nothing is hurried and everything is revealed at precisely the correct moment.

I could go on, but I will close (this post) by noting that I am unable to watch this film which has much to tell us about faith and love without being deeply affected. For all of its difficulties, this more a film of emotion than of the intellect. But both are required for full appreciation.
 

Lew Crippen

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I'm going to re-watch All That Heaven Allows this weekend. I did this for all of my other films, save Throne of Blood, which I had seen again quite recently.

The more so as I had not anticipated George's reaction--but then that is what makes a horse race.

Then maybe I'll have time to knock off some more of his selections.
 

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You know Lew, I read what you said about Ordet, and I'll be damned (pardon the pun :)) if I can find anything I disagree with. The only difference being that I don't feel compelled to watch it again. But I think that's part of having an individual reaction to this film (or to any film for that matter). Without getting too much into it, my own religious views no doubt play some part. As to the whole faith vs. works issue, I find it a false continuum, as I find both to be important and neither sufficient. I'm more into the forgiveness of God regardless of your faith or works, but that's a whole other topic. I'm also a Catholic who hasn't been to mass in a long, long time, partly because I feel no need to, partly because I get nothing out of listening to the same recitations week after week (perhaps related to why I don't think I'd get much out of rewatching Ordet?) and partly because I was raised in a liberal California church where we had anti-death penalty sermons, and here in Texas it's hard to find such a Catholic church (at least close to where I live).

In any case I wasn't drawn into either side of the debate in the film, and was horrified by some of what both Morten and Peter did in the name of Christianity. Like, I said, I have great appreciation for this film, I just don't think I'd get any enjoyment out of rewatching it - at least, not as a movie. Now, as part of either a film seminar or a religious seminar, dissecting the film and discussing it, that would be interesting, but I doubt if that opportunity is likely to come my way.
 

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As I was re-watching All That Heaven Allows this morning, I was struck by commenting on this right after Ordet. Could there be two more masterful works of cinematography and set design that are so dissimilar in style? The spare, stark, high contrast B&W compared to the crowded, lush, rich, saturated Technicolor.

On the surface, All That Heaven Allows, is just another one of these sappy soap operas. Yet it’s critically acclaimed (Sight & Sound, Criterion, and Lew). Why? Well, I can’t speak for Lew, but it seems that when these films came out, the critics dismissed them as trashy soap operas, but after critical reevaluation found more there, hidden under the surface.
True enough that the critics have revised their opinions, as I have mine. The first Sirk I can remember seeing was Written on the Wind, which I freely admit that I let a girl talk me into seeing. I was not impressed at all, considering it the worst sort of a ‘three-hanky movie’.

And even Sirk admits in an interview on the DVD that the script was not very good (bad even). And by now, I can appreciate the sets, the cinematography, the highly inventive use of symbolism in his storytelling (here he uses visual shorthand to compress the film—it is actually less than 90 minutes long).

This is the film that Sirk made after Magnificent Obsession, which made a ton of money for Universal. Likely because of that he got a big budget and was left alone to make this one (other than having to make another melodrama).

For me the triteness of the story, is nothing more than a framework that he uses to put his ideas on the screen and familiar enough to the audience of the day, that they did not rebel against the very outright challenges that he was making about society and personal relations.

It would have been interesting to see what films he would have made given a different genre in which to work. But I am not sure that complete freedom would have made for better results.
 

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Has success changed your life?

Yes



Replies George Harrison to a reporter in A Hard Day’s Night, the 1964 rock ‘n roll film about a day in the life of the Beatles. Revisionist history credits the film as being the father of MTV (and in an extra on the DVD, either the director or producer quips that if that is the case, he wanted a blood test).

This for me, is a film of great interest, but not one which I expect to watch again. It is of interest to see the beginnings of a new style of rock films but as a film, it is not sufficiently good to warrant another viewing. While I enjoy the music, I have all the songs on both vinyl and CD with better sound than the film, and I don’t find that the visuals add to my enjoyment of the music.

Even so, I was impressed by the energy of the of the Beatles and their obvious enjoyment of what they are doing and their success. The cinematography is often inventive and the disjointed cuts and faux-surrealism, that now seem routine, were certainly not standard in films made for the young mass-market at the time.

I’m glad that you put this on your list George, and I enjoyed seeing it once. But I don’t think that I’ll come back for a second helping.
 

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Hmm. That's actually the reaction I would've expected from Help! which isn't enough of a great film by itself to attract people who don't love Beatles music. But I've always thought the A Hard Day's Night was such a great film that it attracted even those who didn't like Beatles music (it certainly got plaudits from critics at the time who didn't like the Beatles). Another case where we'll just have to agree to disagree. :)
 

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Well, I would think Ordet, All That Heaven Allows, and Col. Blimp are great enough to attract Beatles fans too, but I guess not in every case.

I have to say I'm surprised by Lew too; being such a fan of British humor I thought you'd find it at the least, really funny, and worthy of being seen again just based on being a good comedy with great music. Plus they go to a casino and wear tux's!! :D

He's really very clean

Plus you called the story of All That Heaven Allows trite, that's two strikes Lew. :frowning: Then again, you were smart enough to date a girl that wanted to go see Written on the Wind. :emoji_thumbsup:

I have Hopscotch waiting at home for me; should see it this weekend.
 

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I don't think loving British humor has anything to do with someone's reaction to A Hard Days Night. I'm a huge fan of the Ealing classics, The Boulting Brothers, Pythons, etc, etc. but AHDN does nothing for me.

In fact I don't know why (aside from hard-core Beatles fanatics) this film gets such high acclaim. There's nothing about it that stands out in the acting, directing, pacing, cinematography, script & plot. In fact some of these aspects are quite poor.

To me this film is just a marketing vehicle selling a calculated image to the masses. It's everything that was wrong about the music industry in the early-mid 60's.

I'm not an admirer of the Beatles vapid bubblegum/teenybopper output but I am a huge fan of their later years when they matured & developed into artists.
 

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AHDN is a decent flick, mildly amusing at times, but not at all worth repeated viewings... unless you get a hard-on looking at Paul McCartney or something.
 

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Well Rob, I might suggest that we hold each other back, but Martin would no doubt see something homoerotic in that. :rolleyes
 

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Then again, you were smart enough to date a girl that wanted to go see Written on the Wind.
You would be amazed at the number of things I owe to the fair sex—and all because of just trying to impress them or accommodate their wishes. For example the reason that I love opera (and particularly Mozart) and that I am a wiz with chopsticks (to cite but two items) is due to my pursuit of women. Chercez la femme!

I’ll make a few more comments about A Hard Day’s Night. I do think, after having seen the film, that it broke new ground for this type of film. John, George, Ringo and Paul all come across with a lot of charisma and energy. The music is good and fun, if a bit variable, but I’m with Jim in my view of the music as music. I’m not that impressed with their early music, other than as ‘reasonably good pop music’.

I find the camerawork and editing to be groundbreaking for this kind of film—but not so much as some respected critics. If you think about surrealism that came before, this is fun, but quite tame. And if you think about what was going on in cinematography and editing right across the English Channel at the time, I would not call the film groundbreaking. I suppose that this is a bit of a backhanded compliment to the director and crew and I’m not trying to be mean, but this is as close as I can come to ‘I like what was going on OK, but I don’t see anything I consider great’.

As for the humor, I’m pretty sure that I got most of the jokes. And I think that it was all funny and I laughed. A very cleaver script and the lines were well delivered. But overall I would not find the humor as funny the second time around. For me it is all on the surface.

Did I enjoy the movie? Yes.

Do I think it is a movie that should be seen by every film buff? Again yes. I am therefore glad that George put it on his list.

Will I put this on my re-watch list? Here the answer is no. Even though I think it is a ‘must see’, for me once was enough.

I do admit to enjoying a casino in a tux. ;)
 

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Ok, Lew, you redeemed yourself quite nicely in my eyes!

:D

BTW, you make reference to the fact that "John, George, Ringo and Paul all come across with a lot of charisma and energy". This is probably the most important aspect of the movie in terms of making it so enjoyable to me. The fact that the movie is also so well made from a technical and artistic standpoint is simply icing on the cake.
 

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I think the fact that Ebert is a Baby-boomer with a bit too much starry eyed nostalgia clouding his mind is the main reason AHDN is included in his great movies.

Sorry but this is not a great film by any stretch of the imagination. IMO of course!! :)
 

george kaplan

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Well Lew, while I disagree with your final conclusion, I respect it. For me, AHDN isn't great because it's revolutionary in any way, it's just a damned funny movie, with great music.

I do have to disagree however with your statement about the music

Now of course the Beatles didn't know they were doing that and wouldn't understand that analysis anymore than I do, but the point is, they were making complex music, far different than anything else being made at the time, and the music from a Hard Day's Night is certainly more than just good pop music. :)

BTW, this musicologist has done an examination of every Beatles song if you're interested. For example, here is A Hard Day's Night http://www.recmusicbeatles.com/publi.../awp/ahdn.html
 

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