Is Phish the greatest band ever?? I certainly think so.

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  1. Van Patton

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    Phish...just saying their name makes me think of musical genius. What can these guys not do? To check out these guys versitility DL "Magilla" a song that resembles an early Miles Davis song, "you enjoy myself", a song that shifts time signature and contains SO SO SO many hard to play passages and while you're at it download a 30 minute jam to see how these guys can play so well all the time. These guys honestly are the greatest muscians alive today...I can say that without a doubt. Their prime was from 94-96 but they still rock today. Any opinions? BTW SCI and WP suck:)
     
  2. Colin Jacobson

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    Opinions? They're much closer to being one of the worst bands ever than being the greatest. Being able to play technically complex music does not make a band great. Phish do little more than ramble and indulge in musical ideas that go nowhere. The idea of listening to a 30-minute jam is pretty close to my idea of hell. They're self-consciously quirky and self-indulgent, and their music actively bores me. Can't stand 'em!
     
  3. Karl_Luph

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    Ugh! Add me to the list of those who can't get into Phish. Isn't this the band that's a Grateful Dead wannabee? It seems they jumped the shark somewhere around the mid 90's and were somehow popular with the prep scene at college.
     
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    Wow, that was some major-league thread crapping, guys. I don't care for Phish either, but show a little class...
     
  5. Javier_Huerta

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    I have never even heard one song from Phish that I can think of. Neither have my friends, and we are all in our late 20's - early 30's. I do know (from my 15 year old cousin) they are liked by the under-18 crowd.

    I'd think the "greatest band ever" would be universally liked, like The Beatles were in their prime.

    Andrew, I can't understand why two people expressing their opinions on the thread's subject is considered "thread crapping".

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    i really enjoy listening to phish. i can't imagine junta, lawn boy, and billy breathes being mistaken for anything other than wonderful albums. i also like trey anastasio's little side projects like his solo album and oysterhead.

    basically...they seem to have a lot of fun performing and recording their music and that fun just seems to rub off on me when i listen to it.
     
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    Well said Colin, too much PC, too much over sensitivity.

    As for the original subject, Phish is by far not the greatest band ever. Much of their music leaves me scratching my head. It seems like they try to do new things (which is a good thing), but most of the time it falls flat.

    They have a nice size following, but it is more about the scene that goes with their music (drug use, wannabe deadheads) then the music itself.

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  11. Van Patton

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    I've never done a drug in my life and am certainly not a "hippie" but as a guitar player I can really appreaciate (?) their ability and think they kick ass but, o well, to each their own.
     
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    drug free here as well...[​IMG]

    i feel like i should get a medal...
     
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    They've admitted being influced by acts like Zappa and Crimson. Let's just say that they don't live up to their precursors.

    I've had some fun at some Phish concerts, but they aren't even the greatest 'jam' band ever, let alone the greatest band ever.
     
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    Hey guys - interesting thoughts so far.

    Just to throw out my own long-winded opinion:

    Having disliked the band when I was younger, and through a twist of fate winding up living with a pair of very respectable phisheads, (Hey Liz and Chris- Love ya!:p)) I've experienced a great deal of their music and had ample time to challenge all my assumptions/opinions about them.

    Are they indulgent? definitely. Uneven? sure.

    Rambling? I wouldn’t go that far.

    My biggest turn-off to their music, initially, was their lyrics. As a writer and a generally critical person, good lyrics are very important to me “getting into” music; favorites include elliot smith, the roots, and patty griffin, among others. With that mindset that was only concerned about lyrics, Phish would be mediocre, at best (their song “Cars, trucks, buses” is a brutal example of this).

    That would also hardly be the whole picture. Stevie Ray Vaughn’s lyrics are nothing special, either. But I defy anyone to listen to his version of “little wing” and not recognize his genius.

    I’ve heard a good bit of music in my day. I can say with absolute honesty, sincerity, and sobriety that the funkiest, most ass-shaking passages of music I have ever heard in my life was from one particularly excellent Phish show. Both their studio albums and shows have uneven spots but are usually good or excellent, and their music is dynamic in ways that most modern music does not even aspire to; even their more somber or meditative songs can develop into a quickly-paced, danceable tune and still resolve beautifully. To me, their sound is complex, unique and awesome.

    Thus I think their music is great, despite being at times self-affected and difficult to get into.

    I would not call them the greatest musicians of all time. However, I would call them excellent, and with confidence would say they are prone to moments of genius, if not being geniuses themselves.

    Keep it real. [​IMG]

    NP: Dar Williams, The Beauty of the Rain
     
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    Mark me down as someome that loves Phish. A child of the 70's, I grew up listening to extended jams (Yes, Genesis, Crimson, etc) and discovered the Grateful Dead late in life. Trust me, I am not a deadhead and I'm not a big fan now of the pretentious rock of the 70's any longer. Phish took the genres and played them but never took themselves seriously. Their lyrics are silly but not all of them. I really like the latest stuff they are producing.

    I wouldn't call them the greatest band for sure. I wouldn't call them the greatest band right now either (that belongs to Wilco [​IMG]). I do recognize their quality offerings and some awfully good songwriting...

    To talk of technical prowess, I never looked at Phish as being technicians. When you talk of technically perfect musicianship, Frank Zappa bands immediately spring to mind. (Throw Robert Fripp in there too if you can consider him human. [​IMG])


     
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    phish is one of my favorite alltime bands. those guys can really jam!

    favorite studio album? mine is Billy Breathes. it's total bliss from start to finish [​IMG]
     

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