BuffyAngel Viewing Order ? (1 Viewer)

[Kevin Grey]

Daryl's post above is pretty much perfect for B4/A1 which is the most inter-connected season. After that it really doesn't matter a whole lot becaues those shows really aren't that connected.

 

[Johnny S]

^ Nicholas, that is actually one of my favourite arc's in the series.=)

 

[Andy_Bu]

and yet other posted shows that directly spoil other shows.

Its a shame there is not a web site that would have this all stored some where. In a quick goole, it seems like this question has been asked numerous times and the answers all vary.

I will follow Daryl's post for B4/S1 as you suggested and work my way through the rest I guess.

Andy

 

[Dax P]

This can't be much (at all?) different than DarylL's above, but I think it might read simpler.

Crossover List For Buffy 5 and Angel 2 (2000-2001)
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Buffy 5.7 Fool For Love
Angel 2.7 Darla (not a 'crossover', really, but these two share flashbacks and thematic elements, and purposely aired on the same night...)

Angel 2.11 Redefinition ( _____ leaving LA precedes--)
Buffy 5.14 Crush (her arrival back in Sunnydale)

Angel 2.12 Blood Money (isn't a crossover (more of a 'Hey, isn't that...?'), but a Buffy character from 2.7 and 3.1 turns up on Angel and recurs there a few more times...)

Angel 2.17 Disharmony (following Buffy 5.14, a character goes to L.A- another Buffy character appears in a hilarious phone call)

Buffy 5.17 Forever (Angel comes to Sunnydale after *edited*)

Buffy 5.22 The Gift (precedes--)
Angel 2.22 There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb ( ____ has a small cameo)

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Crossover List for Buffy 6 and Angel 3 (2001-2002)
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Angel 3.4 Carpe Noctem (Angel goes to meet Buffy)
Buffy 6.4 Flooded (Buffy goes to meet Angel)

No real crossovers, on different networks this season (thankfully not enforced the next year for Buffy's swansong).

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Crossover List for Buffy 7 and Angel 4 (2002-2003, Firefly ran during this season, as well, on Fox... three series, three networks... Joss never slept... after Firefly was cancelled, a few from its cast turned up on Buffy and Angel...)
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Angel 4.13 Salvage, 4.14 Release, and 4.15 Orpheus feature ________ , and in the last one, _______________ , which continues into--
Buffy 7.18 Dirty Girls

Buffy 7.21 End of Days, 7.22 Chosen (Angel visits, briefly)

 

[Jay_B!]

I agree. I kinda loved how much season 6 was about that said character

 

[Kevin Grey]

Well, that was me that posted what spoiled what but it's genereally pretty simple at that point. Looks like Dax just posted a more detailed list that accomplishes the same.

 

[seanOhara]

I barely got through them once. My recommended viewing order is Buffy Seasons 1-3 then Angel 1-5 -- just pretend the crossovers are Joss's PoMo way of showing that people continue to have lives even when we aren't around.

Buffy just lost too much focus once it dropped the High School Is Hell theme -- College Is Hell never really gelled, and Angel handled Being Out On Your Own Is Hell a thousand times better.

But I'm probably in the minority here.

 

[Nick Martin]

ANGEL fans who aren't in love with Buffy nearly as much...we are a small but fierce group....

For all the comments that people make about how both shows are so deeply connected, there's an awful lot of bias against the spinoff, as well as people who haven't even seen it at all...If they're supposedly one and the same, why ignore one and praise the other like crazy? Why the endless comparisons over which is apparently "better'?

This thread is all about how the shows are connected, so it's not like I'm straying away from the topic.

 

[Jay_B!]

well, some people say Buffy lost it over graduation because of the new guy on the block and the cental season 4 arc, but I think 5 and 6 totally redeemed itself from that IMO. Season 7 had its moment but too much of it seemed like they were doing nothing in a lot of episodes to kill space until they could get to the last arc of the series and send it out in style.

 

[ethanTo]

Did Millennium and X-Files even crossover, that one single episode aside? The one in X-Files that acted as a Millennium finale?

I have watched all the X-Files and Millennium eps 1-14 and I see no correlation!

 

[TravisR]

EDIT: Duplicate post.

 

[TravisR]

Other than that one episode, nope. Although there's an episode of Millennium where Mulder and Scully's stand-ins are seen walking in the FBI building (as an in-joke). I don't want to speak for Bill but I believe he's talking about watching all of 1013, the XF production company, shows in the order they aired as opposed to watching all of The X-Files, then all of Millennium, etc.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[Chip_HT]

Here is the list I devised last summer, through trial and error that is the proper chronological order. I did a little fudging with season 7/Angel 4 to keep as much of those storylines together and flowing and not jumping back and forth in the middle of big cliffhangers

Season 4/Angel Season 1
57. 4-1 4ABB01 05-Oct-1999 The Freshman
1. 1-1 1ADH01 05-Oct-1999 City Of
58. 4-2 4ABB02 12-Oct-1999 Living Conditions
2. 1-2 1ADH02 12-Oct-1999 Lonely Hearts
59. 4-3 4ABB03 19-Oct-1999 The Harsh Light of Day
3. 1-3 1ADH03 19-Oct-1999 In the Dark
60. 4-4 4ABB04 26-Oct-1999 Fear, Itself
4. 1-4 1ADH04 26-Oct-1999 I Fall to Pieces
61. 4-5 4ABB05 02-Nov-1999 Beer Bad
5. 1-5 1ADH05 02-Nov-1999 Rm w/a Vu
62. 4-6 4ABB06 09-Nov-1999 Wild At Heart
6. 1-6 1ADH06 09-Nov-1999 Sense & Sensitivity
63. 4-7 4ABB07 16-Nov-1999 The Initiative
7. 1-7 1ADH07 16-Nov-1999 Bachelor Party
64. 4-8 4ABB08 23-Nov-1999 Pangs (1)
8. 1-8 1ADH08 23-Nov-1999 I Will Remember You (2)
65. 4-9 4ABB09 30-Nov-1999 Something Blue
9. 1-9 1ADH09 30-Nov-1999 Hero
10. 1-10 1ADH10 14-Dec-1999 Parting Gifts
66. 4-10 4ABB10 14-Dec-1999 Hush
67. 4-11 4ABB11 18-Jan-2000 Doomed
11. 1-11 1ADH11 18-Jan-2000 Somnambulist
68. 4-12 4ABB12 25-Jan-2000 A New Man
12. 1-12 1ADH12 25-Jan-2000 Expecting
13. 1-13 1ADH13 08-Feb-2000 She
69. 4-13 4ABB13 08-Feb-2000 The I In Team
70. 4-14 4ABB14 15-Feb-2000 Goodbye Iowa
14. 1-14 1ADH14 15-Feb-2000 I've Got You Under My Skin
15. 1-15 1ADH15 22-Feb-2000 The Prodigal
71. 4-15 4ABB15 22-Feb-2000 This Year's Girl (1)
72. 4-16 4ABB16 29-Feb-2000 Who Are You? (2)
16. 1-16 1ADH16 29-Feb-2000 The Ring
73. 4-17 4ABB17 04-Apr-2000 Superstar
17. 1-17 1ADH17 04-Apr-2000 Eternity
74. 4-18 4ABB18 25-Apr-2000 Where the Wild Things Are
75. 4-19 4ABB19 02-May-2000 New Moon Rising
18. 1-18 1ADH18 25-Apr-2000 Five by Five (1)
19. 1-19 1ADH19 02-May-2000 Sanctuary (2)
76. 4-20 4ABB20 09-May-2000 The Yoko Factor (1)
77. 4-21 4ABB21 16-May-2000 Primeval (2)
78. 4-22 4ABB22 23-May-2000 Restless
20. 1-20 1ADH20 09-May-2000 War Zone
21. 1-21 1ADH21 16-May-2000 Blind Date
22. 1-22 1ADH22 23-May-2000 To Shanshu in L.A.

Season 5/Angel Season 2
79. 5-1 5ABB01 26-Sep-2000 Buffy vs. Dracula
23. 2-1 2ADH01 26-Sep-2000 Judgment
80. 5-2 5ABB02 03-Oct-2000 Real Me
24. 2-2 2ADH02 03-Oct-2000 Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
81. 5-3 5ABB03 10-Oct-2000 The Replacement
25. 2-3 2ADH03 10-Oct-2000 First Impressions
82. 5-4 5ABB04 17-Oct-2000 Out of My Mind
26. 2-4 2ADH04 17-Oct-2000 Untouched
83. 5-5 5ABB05 24-Oct-2000 No Place Like Home
27. 2-5 2ADH05 24-Oct-2000 Dear Boy
84. 5-6 5ABB06 07-Nov-2000 Family
28. 2-6 2ADH06 07-Nov-2000 Guise Will Be Guise
85. 5-7 5ABB07 14-Nov-2000 Fool for Love
29. 2-7 2ADH07 14-Nov-2000 Darla
86. 5-8 5ABB08 21-Nov-2000 Shadow
30. 2-8 2ADH08 21-Nov-2000 The Shroud of Rahmon
87. 5-9 5ABB09 28-Nov-2000 Listening to Fear
31. 2-9 2ADH09 28-Nov-2000 The Trial
88. 5-10 5ABB10 19-Dec-2000 Into the Woods
32. 2-10 2ADH10 19-Dec-2000 Reunion
89. 5-11 5ABB11 09-Jan-2001 Triangle
33. 2-11 2ADH11 16-Jan-2001 Redefinition
90. 5-12 5ABB12 23-Jan-2001 Checkpoint
34. 2-12 2ADH12 23-Jan-2001 Blood Money
91. 5-13 5ABB13 06-Feb-2001 Blood Ties
35. 2-13 2ADH13 06-Feb-2001 Happy Anniversary
92. 5-14 5ABB14 13-Feb-2001 Crush
36. 2-14 2ADH14 13-Feb-2001 The Thin Dead Line
93. 5-15 5ABB15 20-Feb-2001 I Was Made to Love You
94. 5-16 5ABB16 27-Feb-2001 The Body
37. 2-15 2ADH15 20-Feb-2001 Reprise
38. 2-16 2ADH16 27-Feb-2001 Epiphany
95. 5-17 5ABB17 17-Apr-2001 Forever
39. 2-17 2ADH17 17-Apr-2001 Disharmony
96. 5-18 5ABB18 24-Apr-2001 Intervention
40. 2-18 2ADH18 24-Apr-2001 Dead End
97. 5-19 5ABB19 01-May-2001 Tough Love
98. 5-20 5ABB20 08-May-2001 Spiral
99. 5-21 5ABB21 15-May-2001 The Weight of the World
100. 5-22 5ABB22 22-May-2001 The Gift
41. 2-19 2ADH19 01-May-2001 Belonging
42. 2-20 2ADH20 08-May-2001 Over the Rainbow
43. 2-21 2ADH21 15-May-2001 Through the Looking Glass
44. 2-22 2ADH22 22-May-2001 There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb

Season 6 UPN/Angel Season 3
45. 3-1 3ADH01 24-Sep-2001 Heartthrob
46. 3-2 3ADH03 01-Oct-2001 That Vision Thing
101. 6-1 6ABB01 02-Oct-2001 Bargaining (1)
102. 6-2 6ABB02 02-Oct-2001 Bargaining (2)
103. 6-3 6ABB03 09-Oct-2001 After Life
47. 3-3 3ADH02 08-Oct-2001 That Old Gang of Mine
48. 3-4 3ADH04 15-Oct-2001 Carpe Noctem
104. 6-4 6ABB04 16-Oct-2001 Flooded
49. 3-5 3ADH05 22-Oct-2001 Fredless
105. 6-5 6ABB05 23-Oct-2001 Life Serial
50. 3-6 3ADH06 29-Oct-2001 Billy
106. 6-6 6ABB06 30-Oct-2001 All The Way
51. 3-7 3ADH07 05-Nov-2001 Offspring
107. 6-7 6ABB07 06-Nov-2001 Once More, With Feeling
108. 6-8 6ABB08 13-Nov-2001 Tabula Rasa
52. 3-8 3ADH08 12-Nov-2001 Quickening
53. 3-9 3ADH09 19-Nov-2001 Lullaby
54. 3-10 3ADH10 10-Dec-2001 Dad
109. 6-9 6ABB09 20-Nov-2001 Smashed
110. 6-10 6ABB10 27-Nov-2001 Wrecked
111. 6-11 6ABB11 08-Jan-2002 Gone
55. 3-11 3ADH11 14-Jan-2002 Birthday
56. 3-12 3ADH12 21-Jan-2002 Provider
112. 6-12 6ABB12 29-Jan-2002 Doublemeat Palace
57. 3-13 3ADH13 04-Feb-2002 Waiting in the Wings
58. 3-14 3ADH14 18-Feb-2002 Couplet
113. 6-13 6ABB13 05-Feb-2002 Dead Things
114. 6-14 6ABB14 12-Feb-2002 Older and Far Away
59. 3-15 3ADH15 25-Feb-2002 Loyalty
115. 6-15 6ABB15 26-Feb-2002 As You Were
116. 6-16 6ABB16 05-Mar-2002 Hell's Bells
117. 6-17 6ABB17 12-Mar-2002 Normal Again
60. 3-16 3ADH16 04-Mar-2002 Sleep Tight
61. 3-17 3ADH17 15-Apr-2002 Forgiving
62. 3-18 3ADH18 22-Apr-2002 Double or Nothing
63. 3-19 3ADH19 29-Apr-2002 The Price
64. 3-20 3ADH20 06-May-2002 A New World
65. 3-21 3ADH21 13-May-2002 Benediction
66. 3-22 3ADH22 20-May-2002 Tomorrow
118. 6-18 6ABB18 30-Apr-2002 Entropy
119. 6-19 6ABB19 07-May-2002 Seeing Red
120. 6-20 6ABB20 14-May-2002 Villains
121. 6-21 6ABB21 21-May-2002 Two to Go (1)
122. 6-22 6ABB22 21-May-2002 Grave (2)

Season 7/Angel Season 4
123. 7-1 7ABB01 24-Sep-2002 Lessons
124. 7-2 7ABB02 01-Oct-2002 Beneath You
67. 4-1 4ADH01 06-Oct-2002 Deep Down
125. 7-3 7ABB03 08-Oct-2002 Same Time, Same Place
68. 4-2 4ADH02 13-Oct-2002 Ground State
126. 7-4 7ABB04 15-Oct-2002 Help
69. 4-3 4ADH03 20-Oct-2002 The House Always Wins
70. 4-4 4ADH04 27-Oct-2002 Slouching Toward Bethlehem
127. 7-5 7ABB05 22-Oct-2002 Selfless
71. 4-5 4ADH05 03-Nov-2002 Supersymmetry
128. 7-6 7ABB06 05-Nov-2002 Him
72. 4-6 4ADH06 10-Nov-2002 Spin the Bottle
129. 7-7 7ABB07 12-Nov-2002 Conversations with Dead People
130. 7-8 7ABB08 19-Nov-2002 Sleeper
131. 7-9 7ABB09 26-Nov-2002 Never Leave Me
132. 7-10 7ABB10 17-Dec-2002 Bring On The Night
133. 7-11 7ABB11 07-Jan-2003 Showtime
73. 4-7 4ADH07 17-Nov-2002 Apocalypse, Nowish
74. 4-8 4ADH08 15-Jan-2003 Habeas Corpses
134. 7-12 7ABB12 21-Jan-2003 Potential
75. 4-9 4ADH09 22-Jan-2003 Long Day's Journey
76. 4-10 4ADH10 29-Jan-2003 Awakening
135. 7-13 7ABB13 04-Feb-2003 The Killer In Me
77. 4-11 4ADH11 05-Feb-2003 Soulless
136. 7-14 7ABB14 11-Feb-2003 First Date
137. 7-15 7ABB15 18-Feb-2003 Get It Done
78. 4-12 4ADH12 12-Feb-2003 Calvary
79. 4-13 4ADH13 05-Mar-2003 Salvage
138. 7-16 7ABB16 25-Feb-2003 Storyteller
139. 7-17 7ABB17 25-Mar-2003 Lies My Parents Told Me
80. 4-14 4ADH14 12-Mar-2003 Release
81. 4-15 4ADH15 19-Mar-2003 Orpheus
82. 4-16 4ADH16 26-Mar-2003 Players
83. 4-17 4ADH17 02-Apr-2003 Inside Out
84. 4-18 4ADH18 09-Apr-2003 Shiny Happy People
140. 7-18 7ABB18 15-Apr-2003 Dirty Girls
85. 4-19 4ADH19 16-Apr-2003 The Magic Bullet
86. 4-20 4ADH20 23-Apr-2003 Sacrifice
87. 4-21 4ADH21 30-Apr-2003 Peace Out
88. 4-22 4ADH22 07-May-2003 Home
141. 7-19 7ABB19 29-Apr-2003 Empty Places
142. 7-20 7ABB20 06-May-2003 Touched
143. 7-21 7ABB21 13-May-2003 End of Days
144. 7-22 7ABB22 20-May-2003 Chosen

 

[GuruAskew]

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing, plus "Harsh Realm" and "The Lone Gunmen" are included. In regards to "Harsh Realm", there is a lot of cast crossover and at least one meta-reference on "The X-Files" but unlike "Millennium" and "The Lone Gunmen" there's nothing that ties it into the universe shared by the other three. To put this in "Buffy" and "Angel" terms, it would be like adding "Firefly" into the mix.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, I'm just putting my two cents in in regards to something that has a lot of parallels. In this case I think it's better all around to watch them in order alongside each other.

I see a lot of people basically saying "don't worry too much, just make sure you watch episode Y before you watch episode Z" which raises a problem. Using the Ten Thirteen shows as an example, let's say someone said "don't worry about watching them in order, just make sure you watch everything on 'Millennium' up to the series finale 'Goodbye to All That' before you watch the 'X-Files' episode 'Millennium'".

To those who offer similar vagueness, would you suggest that someone watching "Buffy" and "Angel" watch one show through until the point where knowledge of the other show is necessary and then suggest that they put the first show on the backburner so that they could be "caught up" by the time they reach that episode, or even worse, are you suggesting that they only watch the episodes of the second show that tie in with the episodes of the first?

Some might not advocate the strict airdate order like above or my Ten Thirteen list (I believe I posted it in the X-Files discussion topic) but if you are going to just watch the two shows at the same basic rate you might as well "do it right".

Even if there's no specific crossover happening at any given time, it gives you a pretty cool look at stuff like casting (occasionally on the Ten Thirteen shows you'll literally see the same person popping up on both shows in the same "week") or the different locations (I'm currently on X-Files season 6, the first year they shot in LA, while Millennium stayed in Vancouver) and it's just interesting to compare the two shows, you get a good idea of which show is better at any given time.

 

[Kevin Grey]

It's a tough question but, in general, I would advocate trying to watch as much straight of each show possible. Mainly because, at least in Angel's case, it becomes very serialized after the first season so I'm not sure that breaking it up in chunks with the much more standalone and different tonally Buffy is really the best way to watch it. Yes that was how it first aired but Angel, like 24, Alias, Babylon 5, and a few others strikes me as a show where serialized viewing on DVD is the optimum experience.

 

[Scott_F_S]

That Buffy 4/Angel 1 guide posted above by Daryl L is perfect for viewing those seasons. That looks like one I constructed a couple of years ago.

It also would be correct to view one Buffy, one Angel, etc.

There was one major continuity issue that crossed over with Buffy 5/Angel 2, and a reference in the very last scene of Angel 2 to the climax of Buffy 5. It would be fine to go disc-to-disc by watching an Angel disc, then a Buffy disc until the end. Watch the final Buffy disc back-to-back with Buffy Disc 5 before moving to the final Angel disc.

I can't think of any crossover between Buffy 6/Angel 3.

There is one major continuity issue in Buffy 7/Angel 4, but the problem with coming up with a viewing order is that with Buffy having moved to UPN, the airing schedules were not coordinated. So the best thing to do there would be to reference the air dates in the insert booklets and follow those. On those occasions when a Buffy and and Angel aired on the same day (I'm not sure if there were any), watch Buffy first, as it would have aired earlier in the evening.

 

[Chip_HT]

the closest to crossing over in Buffy 6/Angel 3 was when they met up offscreen around the third or fourth episodes of that season.

I also tried to keep things grouped together as much as possible in the last couple of shared seasons in my list. Especially because it starts to get painful to get through the middle of Buffy season 6.

But my list of 7/4 is the easiest to see both at the same time without interrupting the cliffhangers, except for the Faith arc on Angel, since that one Buffy episode has to go in between it to account for Willow.

 

[Wendy_L]

Chip HT, you should join my "BtVS Series Challenge". Now is the perfect time!