mark brown
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To each his/her own. Have seen the 70mm Vertigo several times and loved it!
Also, high praise brings more scrutiny, especially from those that have never seen a movie until a recent viewing. Many times, that viewing brings disappointment because the movie doesn't live up to their high expectations.Vertigo feels like one of those films that has gone from underrated to overrated since its re-release in 1983.
Not to get all intellectual here, but the reason VERTIGO is so appealing to the film cognoscenti - as opposed to the rank and file film lover - is that those major Hitchcock thematic obsessions (ones that are usually subtextual and beautifully buried beneath the surface of his suspense classics) are elevated to text. They are the plot and text in this film. The characters are barely more than symbols of these thematic obsessions. This is the most supremely stylized of his films - it explodes with color and all sorts of touches. Its a film record of a subjective experience and was obviously close to Hitch's heart. Jimmy Stewart in a great heartbreaking role, Kim Novak as really just a vision or a projection of the HItchcock uber female character, Bernard Herrmann's score, Saul Bass, etc. - this is what makes VERTIGO the force that it is in the critical and popular film world.Also, high praise brings more scrutiny, especially from those that have never seen a movie until a recent viewing. Many times, that viewing brings disappointment because the movie doesn't live up to their high expectations.
Vertigo feels like one of those films that has gone from underrated to overrated since its re-release in 1983.
I wrote quickly earlier and clarified a few things. To add one brief note - Vertigo scores points for arguably being Hitchcock's most intensely personal film. He puts a vulnerable part of himself - unresolved obsessive dreams and desires - on display for everyone to see.Not to get all intellectual here, but the reason VERTIGO is so appealing to the film cognoscenti - as opposed to the rank and file film lover - is that those major Hitchcock thematic - and personal obsessions (ones that are usually subtextual and beautifully buried beneath the surface of his suspense classics) are elevated to text. They are the plot and text in this film. The characters are barely more than symbols of these thematic obsessions. This is the most supremely stylized of his films - it explodes with color and all sorts of touches. Its a film record of a subjective experience and was obviously close to Hitch's heart. Jimmy Stewart in a great heartbreaking role, Kim Novak as really just a vision or a projection of the HItchcock uber female character, Bernard Herrmann's score, Saul Bass, etc. - this is what makes VERTIGO the force that it is in the critical and popular film world.
It never bothers me to learn when someone likes or dislikes a film to which I have an opposite view. Indeed, I might be surprised, depending on the person; yet, nonetheless, films do affect us in so many different ways, so who’s to argue? Still, when I learn that someone actually dislikes Vertigo…well, I find that bit of news to be dizzying.I picked up Vertigo on BD a few years back, and after watching it, was very disappointed in wasting 2 hours of my time on such an awful film. After reading so many positive comments about film, I felt maybe I missed something the first time. I dusted it off once again this past Fall and gave it another shot. A truly unenjoyable experience. I put the BD in a pile designated for Goodwill.
And just to be clear, in my mind James Stewart is an absolute American icon of an actor…one of the very best ever.
Yeah, when it comes to "THE CLASSICS", how can any of them ever really live up to the hype for all viewers?Also, high praise brings more scrutiny, especially from those that have never seen a movie until a recent viewing. Many times, that viewing brings disappointment because the movie doesn't live up to their high expectations.
There's a whole treatise here (and I expect it's already been written) about the perception of films being very much dependent upon how they're presented (e.g. seeing "Lawrence of Arabia" in 70mm at the Ziegfeld vs. seeing it on a 42" TV screen - or worse. I have a friend who condemns "2001" for being "slow". My response is that the "slowness" isn't a problem when the movie's seen on a huge screen where one has the time to examine each moment for its beauty. I could go on - "How the West Was Won" in Cinerama vs any other way; movies designed for 3-D vs. being seen "flat".I believe that many of the problems that (especially) new viewers may find with films might be environmental.
These films were not designed as television programming. Rather, they were meant to be seen on huge screens in a shared situation.
I believe that many of the problems that (especially) new viewers may find with films might be environmental.
These films were not designed as television programming. Rather, they were meant to be seen on huge screens in a shared situation.
There is little doubt about optimal presentation, and presentation as it was originally intended, augment the experience. What looked spectacular in VistaVision projected theatrically can appear less so on any home video format and screens meant for nothing larger than a revival of Friends or Yellowstone.I believe that many of the problems that (especially) new viewers may find with films might be environmental.
These films were not designed as television programming. Rather, they were meant to be seen on huge screens in a shared situation.
I would add that the presentation format size and quality is one important factor in howThere is little doubt about optimal presentation, and presentation as it was originally intended, augment the experience. What looked spectacular in VistaVision projected theatrically can appear less so on any home video format and screens meant for nothing larger than a revival of Friends or Yellowstone.
Films were shot quite differently than TV shows. The convergence of the two formats more recently has led to a false expectation that 'every' movie needs to 'conform' to TV standards to 'work'. Not true. Actually, not at all.
Case in point. In my youth I saw 2001: A Space Odyssey on a late TV broadcast and literally fell asleep repeatedly. I mean, I just couldn't understand what the fuss was about. Then, 4 years later, I attended a screening in its native ratio at the Toronto Cinesphere...and wow! What a difference. Not just a different viewing experience, but an entirely different motion picture experience - entirely!
Since that time, I've made it a minor mission to see classic movies on a big screen whenever they're revived in and around my city. Saw Ben-Hur at the Detroit Fox and it truly was 'an experience' - something my repeated Blu-ray viewing at home can only guess at. So, yes, never having seen The Man Who Knew Too Much in its native VistaVision, perhaps my opinion about it is skewed.
A soufflé can never rise when people too used to microwave dinners are impatiently stomping up and down upon the kitchen floor.[…]I have a friend who condemns "2001" for being "slow". My response is that the "slowness" isn't a problem when the movie's seen on a huge screen where one has the time to examine each moment for its beauty.
The quandary here is that there are not enough accessible venues, outside of most cities, to illustrate this point which is obviously correct. I believe the differences would be understood immediately by the average Joe; but how does one convince the other to hop into a car and travel 2 round-trip hours or more to witness what can already be ordered up within their own living room?I believe that many of the problems that (especially) new viewers may find with films might be environmental.
These films were not designed as television programming. Rather, they were meant to be seen on huge screens in a shared situation.
It’s hard to top a Hitchcock film. Sophistication, style, wit, intelligence, accessibility, insights into what a human being will do and not do when placed within a certain set of unforeseen circumstances; plus great cinematographers, great composers and great actors wearing great garments. Sir Alfred gave his audience everything.Maybe Vertigo has some misogyny that has tainted it from being the serious critic's darling it was two decades ago, but I love it.
TMWKTM has some of that too, with the expectation that Day's character relinquish her career for Stewart's, but those were the mores and I love this and this transfer too.
This is one of the main reasons I prefer the 1934 original to the remake. The original MWKTM lacks the craft of the remake, but the gender politics have aged much better. Peter Lorre is also much more fun as a villain than any of the conspirators in the 1956.TMWKTM has some of that too, with the expectation that Day's character relinquish her career for Stewart's, but those were the mores and I love this and this transfer too.
Peter Lorre is also much more fun as a villain