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My above "point" is really. The only "new in box" AVR out of the ones I've had... The Elite and Yamaha 6180/1067. Every other one was a 1-2yo Ebay/Craigslist find. The 7.8 I bought last year for $400..complete with original box/packaging. If you don't need HDMI 1.4(you haven't said)...

Warm or bright is a matter of "who you talk to" and their ears. I owned an Integra DTR 5.8(still have it) and Yamaha HT-R6180 at the same time(no longer have it). They were my first and 2nd HDMI AVR. Have since had... Integra DTR 7.8 Onkyo SR707 Onkyo NR1008 Denon AVR 890(sold it) Denon AVR...

Why 90watts? Why not 65, which is 1db less volume...and what you are getting anyway?What are your sources? Last I heard Betas, they'd make your ears bleed on 15 watts.