It certainly does appear that there was a goal of "shaking up the list" and intentionally making it more "inclusive" of certain filmmakers. Which, as I said before is fine. It is just a list, if that is their goal with it, that is up to them. It does get clicks and gets people to talk about it.
One thing I have to agree with in that article is I was also stunned that Dr. Strangelove did not make this list. I get it, they put more than one Kubrick picture on the list but The Shining made it over Strangelove? Don't get me wrong, I love The Shining and have watched it many times, not as...
Yes, I like being able to have discussions on the internet with people about pictures because in a place like this we get to meet people with common interests. I am like you, Thomas, in that I also don't have a lot of interest in the big budget present day stuff. I mean, I watch some of those...
I agree but so little time, so many movies. So, I did prejudge something like Dielman and kept putting it off. I agree you don't know how you will feel until you watch it.
The issue with a film like Jeanne Dielman to me is that to me it made me think about Tarkovsky, in that I love Tarkovsky...
This is one of the wonderful things a picture can do, allow you a view into people or a place or a time that exist outside of our experiences. This is in part why I love period pictures so much.
For me the subject matter is a big part of why I will make the time to watch a film. As I said...
Yes, it is the Sight & Sound list so they are leaning way more into Euro art house than they are into big American entertainments. It's funny, I had two big first time watches to start this month. Jeanne Dielman, which I thought was a cool looking picture, but three hours of a woman doing house...
On Star Wars, Jaws, Wizard, and Snow White...no matter where or how people would rank them, I do think they are very influential pictures that could certainly appear on a greatest films of all time list. They all had a fairly large impact on what came after them. They are not as "serious" as...
Agreed, and I am a big fan of a lot of the pictures on this list. I enjoy challenging cinema and pictures that attempt to do something different than what may be thought of as mainstream/multi[plex entertainments. I mean there is a place for both and when you make a list you generally start with...
Honestly, when I saw this list was coming I just thought we were going to see mostly the same pictures at the top of it that we have seen on past lists about great films. There are Vertigo and Kane at 2 and 3. So I was surprised when I read the list and the top film was Jeanne Dielman. I mean...
Yes, there is a valid argument that there are plenty of lists so making this list about promoting diversity, promoting female filmmakers, promoting people of various ethnicities, makes this list a more important statement than lists that just are about the quality of the pictures themselves...
A quote from the article you linked to:
“Canons should be challenged and interrogated, and as part of the BFI’s remit to not only revisit film history but to also reframe it, it’s so satisfying to see a list that feels quite radical in its sense of diversity and inclusion.”
So, I wonder about...
Yeah, I don't think these lists are useless. I mean they are specifically for discussion and to allow people to see what a bunch of critics or people involved in filmmaking feel are great pictures. It is not really to crown any pictures the best, just to highlight achievements in the artform...
I mentioned this and compared where the picture is on the They Shoot Pictures list, which has it ranked at 85 (it has been falling on that list since 2013 - highest ranking was 80, it has dropped 5 spots over the years) and did not go directly at why I think it shot to number one on the Sight &...
Oh no, sorry Thomas, I did not intend those comments to be about you. I meant I have read a lot of negative criticism of the film, not here but out on the wild world wide web. I think much of Kubrick's work no longer sits well with audiences that did not grow up with it. I mean, I think...
One of the "all time greatest" lists I often look at is the They Shoot Pictures list and on that list Jeanne Dielman does make the Top 100 at number 85, probably a much more reasonable place for it to exist than at number one. I don't say that to knock the picture, I just think it has never...
I also think Paths of Glory is a brilliant picture. I certainly don't find it cold. Douglas is incredible in it and certainly there is nothing cold about his performance. I would think it would be on a list like this, I don't think in terms of present-day attitudes there is anything that would...
I've always found A Clockwork Orange a brilliant picture. Certainly one of the finest films ever made and I think when it arrived on movie screens there had never been anything like it and really, nothing has ever come close to it. The visuals, the use of language (thank you Mr. Burgess), the...
Now, if she breaded and fried the baby, we may have the greatest movie of all time.
I can tell by the way she handles those cutlets, she's a prostitute.
You're killing me, Thomas, I was trying to sell the picture. You know people will watch 201 minutes of prostitution scenes they are not going to watch 201 minutes of a depressed woman going through her day, I mean they could stay home and stare at their wife if they wanted to see that.
My question is, if you were doing the 100 Greatest Films About Prostitution, where would Night Shift be on that list?
I assume it has to rank below Jeanne Dielman, right, because that is the greatest film of all time, or would making it a list just about prostitution pictures change the ranking?
You have to consider there are two reasons to make lists like this:
1. To stimulate discussion.
2. To insult other people.
Now, how much you want to do one or the other determines what you put on the list. :drum:
Maybe it is the greatest because they could get so much stuff in that long running time. Or maybe they just liked the really, really, really long scenes showing prostitution.
Well, nobody ever asks me to participate in these lists. I just figured they could have just tossed a coin for each tie or something. Just number them 1-100 because nobody ever agrees anyway.