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Yea I get the Violence begets violence message. It is just that the initial violence was not Joel or Ellie's fault. I see a difference between killing in self defense (or killing to protect a loved one) and pre-meditated torture and killing. ND seems like they are trying to say both types of...

Nope, Trying to justify Abby's actions shows the developer just doesn't get it. For ND to try and force the "violence is a bad cycle" narrative is just so hypocritical. They make their living pushing violence (which is fine in a video game setting). It feels strange for them to suddenly try...