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  1. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I'll run down a couple of the points I was trying to make: -Exposure to media DOES impact people, along with other influences, and our culture-at-large should be aware of that. -Sony isn't worried about how sexy games will affect their customers or children, but they are very worried about PR...
  2. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Russell - regarding the radicalization stuff, I was more pointing out that there are real measurable effects on people that come from the media they're exposed to, but I wasn't necessarily using that as an argument in favor of what Sony is doing. In fact, I don't think Sony is even using that...
  3. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    There's a lot of academic research showing a causative effect between people spending large amounts of time on YouTube or certain websites and radicalization (talking in terms of anti-vax and Flat Earth stuff, though the resurgence of literal Nazis in America is connected to it). The problem is...
  4. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Russell - I agree that watching pornography does not lead men to rape, but exposure to certain content does normalize it to the point where some people believe it to be the standard reference. If that were not the case then we wouldn't be seeing measles outbreaks because of YouTube videos or...
  5. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    What I've read is that the policy actually is defined, but not made public. It's their old policy that existed for many years and just simply wasn't enforced. It would basically be the equivalent of Nintendo today going back to their policy from the early 90s regarding blood/gore, nudity...
  6. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    The article I linked to was not quite what I'd call clickbait with an agenda (I'd say it actually argued against Sony's censorship...did you read it) but ok. It specifically called out the Senran Kagura franchise, which features a lot of anime girls that are explicitly described by the games as...
  7. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I provided a link that gave a specific example and game series. It's at the top of this page. Your question about Nintendo is misstated. Sony isn't altering anything. They have standards and they're requiring that games adhere to those standards in order to be released on PlayStation...
  8. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    My point was that the games that Sony has been upset with are not games that feature "sexuality" as a loose term, they're games that focus on the objectification of underage girls as sexual objects. Red Dead Redemption isn't a game designed around the core concept of murdering women. Yes, you...
  9. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Let me ask a general question here: Are you guys (since its basically just guys here) okay with playing games that feature the sexual molestation of young children as the core gameplay conceit?
  10. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Mortal Kombat is not a game whose sole focus is designed around a presumably-male audience hurting exclusively female characters while dehumanizing them and treating them as objects. The games facing issues with Sony are solely designed around a presumably-male audience sexually assaulting...
  11. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Edwin - their policy is about sexual content, not violence. I also think you focusing on the female characters getting hurt in MK instead of the male characters, which make up most of the roster, is obfuscating the issue. In those anime games, there are ZERO male characters being treated as...
  12. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Bryan - ok, let's examine that scene from God of War III. -Are you saying that kind of content is inappropriate and should never have been in a game at all? -Is that an interactive moment where you can control your character doing things to those women? Or is it a cutscene? -Are those women...
  13. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I'll be honest: I think if we're entering the age of companies taking a little more control over the content of their internet-connected ecosystems, then that is a GOOD thing. I hope this doesn't count as too political of a point, but the rampant toxicity that allowed things like white...
  14. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    For what it's worth, that link points out that the PS4 version of the game is $18 cheaper. Whether that's because Switch game carts cost more to manufacture or because they figure the lower price could offset the cut content and appeal to consumers, who knows.
  15. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Well, so long as Cyberpunk 2077 doesn't have the player taking upskirt panty photos of teenage girls or simulating rubbing oil all over naked anime girls, then I think CD Projekt Red and Sony will be fine.
  16. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    The stuff I read was more recent than that article and said that Sony hasn't issued any new guidelines, just started to enforce the old ones. The developers were caught off guard because they weren't used to actually abiding by the guidelines in the past.
  17. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I just saw a couple different sites reporting in the last few days that Sony has sort of clarified the situation. Basically, it's not that they created NEW rules for the content of games on their platforms, but rather these rules have existed for a long time and they're not starting to really...
  18. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Bryan - by your logic, Marvel didn't make a movie starring a black superhero (Black Panther) for so long because no black people went to see Marvel or superhero movies until 2018. Had black people been interested in seeing a black superhero, Marvel certainly would have made a movie like that...
  19. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    My first paragraph (about men having more money to buy stuff and power in industries to influence their products) is just historical fact. Men DO have more money than women (putting aside the reasons why that is), men have had more money than women for many generations, and men have...
  20. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    The reason most of the racy content in the various forms of media appeals to men is because men traditionally have all the money to spend on that media and all of the power in those media to make those things happen. There's also a long cultural history of telling men to be more open about...
  21. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Ahh, ok, I remember reading that they made a statement about the policy but for some reason only remembered them making it in a "we can confirm we have this policy" sort of way. Everything else reported prior to a few days ago was just second- or third-hand comments so I didn't remember the...
  22. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Jeff - I don't think Sony's policy was designed because "sexuality is damaging to children." So the part of that argument that would include violence is immediately flawed, since...that wasn't the motivator for the policy. The idea that men are more visual and appreciating of beauty than women...
  23. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I don't think Sony's decision to limit what kind of content they allow on their platform has to do with how things harm male minds. I think they didn't want the potential public image of being a company whose extremely popular product and platform are home to games that allow the...
  24. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Jeff - Sony's policy is strictly dealing with sexual content. Not violent content, not mistreatment-of-people content, not torture content, ONLY sexual content. The reason the MK example doesn't apply is because...it's not sexual content. The man-on-woman violence example is unfair because...
  25. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Leo - just to clarify, I'm not calling YOU sexist. In my experience, people (myself included) have a hard time accepting that their experience in the world is really way more limited than they think and that the best way to learn about social issues is to listen to other people about their...
  26. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Excuse me, but where did I call ANYONE a sexual predator? Frankly, I'm more worried about incels like the ones who keep shooting up sorority houses and yoga studios than I am about a quiet pervert. Go ahead, be a pervert, enjoy whatever gets you off...I really don't care and I have zero...
  27. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Sorry, but I look at that list of "censored" games and I see a bunch of games that are essentially designed solely to arouse men with half-naked anime girls, plus Devil May Cry 5. My point about MeToo/Sony is that Sony made this decision out of concern for what the current cultural climate...
  28. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Leo - so you're dismissing the collective experience of millions of women gamers, simply because you, in your admittedly little experience, didn't see what they went through? I'm also not referring solely to things like harassing people in online games. In general, the portrayal of women in...
  29. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    I thought about this issue a lot over the last day or so and realized there may be a fundamental misunderstanding that is deeper than Sony's policy. Does everyone here even at least agree that sexism exists, that the portrayal and representation of women in all forms of media is important, that...
  30. Morgan Jolley

    The Sony censorship policy and what caused it

    Ok. So let's say Walmart refuses to sell R-rated movies in their stores. In response, some studios start making PG-13 versions of their films solely to get them sold at Walmart. You can still buy the uncensored versions in Best Buy. Is that censorship? EDIT: the stuff Sony is not allowing...
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