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UPDATE. The AVR is here. It arrived on Saturday so with the Super Bowl preparations and subsequent hangover, all I was able to do was to check the serial number to make sure it was above 60000. It was, so no worries about the Denon HDMI plug issue. Then I quickly hooked up the cassette player...

I'm getting you a cape because you're a HERO! I just ordered it from them. Pretty cool that they throw in an additional 2 years of warranty on top of the Denon 1 year for free. I'll update when it arrives.

Yeah, turns out they don't deliver the refurb stuff only store pickup. I guess the margins are razor thin and they only deliver new stuff. Whatever... big let down.

Anyone have experience with World Wide Stereo? They have the Denon 3700 refurb right in my price range

That is pretty much exactly what I said to my wife before I started looking. The last "real" HT audio equipment I bought was 20 years ago, so I was very surprised that nothing, even receivers at $900-$1000 had pre outs. I don't think that even the $1200 level has them. So, I'm stuck with...

Yeah, I may actually need to think about changing speakers at this point. The Outlaw can handle them, but without pre-outs, I think I could be looking at trouble. I thought of looking for older second hand Marantz processors but they seem to be thin on the ground, or rather, NOT on the ground...

To give you an idea of how long it's been since I even thought about HT, I'm replacing a B&K Reference 50 which finally gave up the ghost. And to be frank, if Stargate Electronics hadn't gone out of business, I would probably get it refurbished. But it's gone now. The amp I was using was the...