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Indeed... though it's good to clarify/establish some (reasonably objective, measurable) baselines that can be fairly straightforward to understand and discuss, particularly in differentiating what many/most AVR designs (and compromises) involve compared to dedicated amp separates (and the...

Following up a bit more on the issue w/ recent AVR trend(s), here are a couple little Audioholics updates from 2015-2016... The videos were updates to this ongoing Audioholics piece... https://www.audioholics.com/audio-amplifier/product-managing-receiver-platforms-power-ratings _Man_

No kidding. I did amend that post to point that out a little before you replied. But in the absence of available ratings, we can only guesstimate so much (and probably should be very conservative in doing so since manufacturers aren't too likely to underrate/sell their products by that much...

I don't know how exactly you determined additional power isn't needed -- should we scrutinize your DBTs, which would really only apply to you in your environment/setup? -- but even if we simply go by straightforward (scientifically informed) calculations, it's not hard to see an HT system might...

Shrug... Not just my assertion(s)... but obviously, you belong to the vast majority who don't feel the need for more, cleaner power from a separate/external amp (no matter the details and finer points), so we have what we have in the marketplace, which was actually what that post was mainly...

No doubt... as John subsequently mentioned above. Yeah, they used to include pre-outs in much more affordable AVRs... and in fact, a budget-ish AVR -- a ~$550 (MSRP) Yamaha model that I paid only ~$350 towards the end of its production run back around 2008/2009(?) -- was the last-and-only AVR I...

I imagine it's mostly just the current economics of the bizz (and their sense for demand in their market segments) driving them to essentially cut corners in that way given the current available and/or demanded tech... If the vast majority of customers in their market segments don't seem to...

Wait. Did you upgrade from the Emotiva DR amps? OR do you mean they're doing 1Kwpc into 4 ohms (and maybe somewhat lower impedance... for your Thiel CS3.6s)? I just doublechecked, and the DR2 (stereo) is rated for 800wpc into 4 ohms though the DR1 (mono) is rated at 1Kwpc into 4 ohms. IIRC...

You don't have anything else you plan on getting very soon from Emotiva, right? IF so, maybe we can do a trade for your A-500 -- and I order whatever new, in-stock item(s) for you partially(?) funded by my expiring (~$255) EmoBucks... :D Offhand, I don't see anything else new, in-stock to...

@JohnRice, what do you think of Emotiva's BasX series amps? I still have some EmoBucks from my purchase of the XPA-DR2, and I have to decide what to do w/ them in the next couple days before they expire. Thought I'd have everything set up by now in the new dedicated HT room, but alas, still...

Well, apparently, since my wife originally thought I wanted a substantial kitchenette in there, she planned for the contractor to install gobs of new circuits for the room, including a 40-amp one meant for an electric stove, so now that won't be an issue anymore -- and yeah, I basically vetoed...

Don't think we've talked about this much, but what kind of current draw should our circuits be able to handle for these more powerful amps? Are 15-amp circuits really enough for say the Emotiva XPA-DR2 (for my difficult Thiel CS5i's) and XPA-5 Gen 3 (for less difficult rest of the center and...

Well, I did go ahead and ordered the Emotiva XPA-DR2 last night right at their promo offer deadline. Since the D-Sonic M3a-3000S seems a better option than the similarly priced (but much heftier) pair of XPA-DR1s, I decided not to bother w/ the likely small gains of the DR1s and went w/ the DR2...

Yeah, extra $800 (or 50%) over the DR2's $1600 price tag (plus tax... and nearly 2x shipping cost, if I return or sell later) is substantial for the extra 100Wpc @ 8 ohms (and extra 200Wpc @ 4 ohms and I suppose extra ~400Wpc @ 2 ohms). I probably wouldn't consider that if not for the CS5i's...

I wonder... IF I were actually to compare them for myself, I might actually want to compare the Emotiva DR1s to the M3a-3000S stereo amp instead of their monoblocks, if there really is no significant diffs between their monoblocks and stereo amps. D-Sonic claims 2x1500W @ 8 ohms for their...

Hmmm... I had not paid close enough attention before, but very interesting that Stereophile's recent Recommended Components lists (over the last few years) include quite a few class-D amps (ranging from reasonably affordable like some PS Audio monoblocks on up) alongside typically (very)...

Got more curious about D-Sonic and noticed their amps are incredibly lite (and quite small) at ~1/2(!) the weight of the Emotiva XPA-DR2 for their competing M3a-1200S and ~1/3(!) the weight of the XPA-DR1 for their M3a-600M monoblock. I'm intrigued... not just by their (relatively) diminutive...

I woulda thought send that DR2 back for 3x DR1s instead... ;) :D With their Emo Bucks promo, I'm actually a little tempted to just get 3 for LCR even though the MCS1 center shouldn't need it and is probably just fine w/ my new XPA-5 G3 (that won't be pushed much for the other 4 channels)... :D...

Well, you at least have me joining you w/ some old Thiels and new Emotiva amps, haha. I'll be ordering a pair of the DR1's probably on the last day of their promo offer. And then, I'll need to decide in 90 days whether I need another monoblock for the MCS1 (and probably make use of the last...

Hehheh... yeah, that's why I thought you might as well consider going all in if you go for a center like that... I suppose if I were considering jumping to that level w/ the budget, Legacy would certainly be a top contender, maybe the favorite, especially given how much the competition cost at...

LOL, yeah, that'd definitely do it me thinks, except John would probably need to sell his entire set of speakers and switch to all flagship level Legacy for that to make sense, hehheh. And something tells me he might then also have to (at least) audition your beloved D-Sonics w/ them as well...

Hey, John. Curious if you also already have plans to upgrade your center speaker to seriously consider the DR1 for that? I was actually thinking maybe just their HC-1 monoblock at slightly over 1/2 the price for roughly 1/2 the power capacity, if my new XPA-5 G3 isn't quite satisfying enough...

Haven't actually run ARC yet, but did do some basic calibration by ear. Seems my old B&K amp might actually be dying or in need of significant refreshing... which I'm not sure it's worth trying to do, especially since B&K doesn't exist anymore. The amp section I was using for the right...

Thanks for the clarification... although it might possibly matter in this case if the balanced output is actually 6db lower since the voltage coming from the Anthem AVM-60 via unbalanced output already seems a bit on the low side -- I'm currently having to dial the volume control near to the max...

True that. Although I've never operated microwaves, hairdryers, A/Cs and the like down in that part of the house (w/ separate/different circuit), each of those probably drain substantially more for relatively sustained periods, but have never been a (noticeable) problem for the rest of the...

The balanced output will be 6db lower? Hmmm... guess I'll want to experiment some to see if the output level remains high enough, especially for the Thiel CS5i's, which will already be significantly less efficient than all the other speakers w/ most having rating hovering around 86db/W/m...

Welp, it apparently just shipped w/ ETA this Wed, which means I should probably receive it by Christmas Eve (just ahead of WW84 Day) even if there's a small delay, which could easily happen due to the recent regional snow accumulation that had so far delayed various shipments by a day or so (on...

So I went ahead and ordered an XPA-5 Gen 3 yesterday late afternoon hoping it'd arrive before WW84 (aka Christmas) Day, LOL. Looks unlikely at this point. Oh well... Meanwhile, it just occurred to me to finally (re)consider the notion of upgrading (from decent quality, but essentially basic...

Hmmm... guess I should probably just go w/ the XPA-5 Gen 3 first -- it's only $200 for each additional channel anyway. IF it doesn't satisfy driving the MCS1, then I'll try adding an Emotiva monoblock (and only lose out on the $200... and still might find use for it sometime in the future...

@JohnRice, don't you also have a Thiel MCS1 for center channel? I just bought a used one and wondering if the Emotiva XPA-5 Gen 3 would be good enough to drive it (along w/ easier surrounds) to match the CS 5i's (driven by XPA-DR1's)... _Man_