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But IMHO, there is probably an order of magnitude difference between those two though. I have a pretty strong idea of what real people look like in very many different situations (and from many different angles). I don't really have a strong idea of what explosions and many other movie effects...

For myself, I know I'm much less picky about sound quality for movies vs music. There's sooooo much more going on w/ the movie viewing experience afterall plus there really are far fewer real life references for us to detect/hear whether the sound is faithful/realistic or not in most movies...

Hehheh. That is soooo true though some will argue film grain is preferable to digital camera/sensor noise -- well, at least we're more used to seeing that than sensor noise. And due to the nature of the sensors used, there's a greater variety to the noise too some of which are definitely more...

This is not directly related to the EE and DNR issue, but it's somewhat relevant anyway. What do y'all think about the transfer for the 1st Harry Potter film? I never saw it in the theaters so have no idea how it's supposed to look -- well, not that my local multiplex would be the best guide...

I didn't mean the techniques will be quite the same, but more that their mentality (and thus, the results) might be following what's going on in the still photography world. Still, plenty of digital cameras produce what look like digital paintings rather than photos due to in-camera DNR -- in...

I guess they are now in some sense following the lead of still photography, which could indeed be a bad thing unfortunately. Seems like almost everyone in the world of still photography are clamoring for cleaner and cleaner images w/ very few folks wanting anything that remotely looks like film...

OK. Having said all of the above, let me also add that it sounds like our goal in this discussion is to become informed enough so that the HT/cinephile community can effectively voice our concerns to the studios about the quality of their HDM releases. If we see nasty EE and DNR effects in...

Gary (and others), There are always compromises involved w/ these kinds of things. The idea should be to go for the best set of compromises to yield the best presentation possible -- and such can often be worked out on a case-by-case basis. It should not be hard to accept that techniques like...

Again, don't forget that the process of transfering film to video could be adding some noise. I don't really know whether such noise is actually noticeable/appreciable, but it's not hard to see that could be the case if the technology for such is not advanced enought to produce completely...

Why is it so hard to believe that some type/amount of DNR could potentially be needed in the process? I'm not saying I know that's what's going on -- and I'm sure cases where it yields particularly bad artifacts, etc. would not be desirable at all -- but you're making some pretty big blanket...

Hehheh... Yeah, what he said. ;) :D BTW, EE and DNR was -- and still can be -- a very hot topic in the digital still photography world. It (along w/ some of the other issues Doug mentioned, eg. contrast and color) gets brought up in discussion forums just about everytime someone buys an...

Gary, I know you asked Doug, but I'll offer a simple answer based on what I know from still photography. Basically, the problem is film and the telecine process have not achieved the technological (nor methodological) ideal that you are thinking of. You may think it's a crutch to use EE...

I don't like seeing heavy doses of EE and DNR either, but I agree w/ Cees (and Doug). When such techniques/tools are used properly, they should work like good SFX in the original filmmaking process and be transparent to the audience, not draw attention to itself -- well, unless the moviemaker...

I think I read that one though I don't recall that poster offering a good alternative explanation for the "grain" visible in certain samples posted there, eg. one capture of the Alcatraz battle scene in X-Men 3. I don't really know myself, but I'd submit that his logic might be a bit faulty...