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  1. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    It has. It’s come to premium/prestige television, where it’s a much better deal for both the creative talent and the viewing audience.
  2. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Only if we narrow the definition of art to “1970s style director driven pictures” which frankly were an anomaly in the history of motion pictures.
  3. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Acting isn’t a science but an art, and different people approach it differently. Actors like Bale and Phoenix find it helpful to change their bodies to help them find the character. Other actors prefer to prepare different ways. If I was a director I wouldn’t really care about the technique...
  4. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I love honest conversations about art even when they’re with people I disagree with on the topic. My wife doesn’t like my favorite movie but I love talking about why it doesn’t work for her and why it works for me. I don’t mind when art is polarizing. I mind when the argument is disingenuous...
  5. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Yeah, I hate Honest Trailers and all of those other similar things. I understand it’s meant primarily as humor but the problem is that there’s a much wider audience that has come to see them as legitimate film criticism and the democratization of reviewing has led to an entire cottage industry...
  6. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I think it’s clearly designed to provoke those feelings. It exists in that uncomfortable space that’s the unresolvable conflict between “Two wrongs don’t make a right” and “If you hit someone enough, eventually they’ll hit back.” We’re shown plenty of examples early on, before the POV gets...
  7. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    There’s been some interesting discussion in that thread since it came out! Like Joker, I found myself liking individual parts more than their sum total.
  8. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    The skeptic in me wonders whether the movie is actually aware, that is, if the filmmakers are aware of these questions and asking them on purpose, or if they’re just aping Taxi Driver because that seemed like a cool thing to do. That it’s the Hangover guy makes me skeptical, but that’s probably...
  9. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Did you notice any of the sound design stuff as adding to the movie? I’d imagine that 7.1.2 would still be pretty neat.
  10. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Well, at least I got to hear myself talk :D But Tony and I go way back on superheroes, he always gets the benefit of the doubt in my book. Switching gears, @JohnRice are you set up for Atmos? I saw this in an Atmos theater and I’m usually not a big multichannel sound guy. If it’s loud, clear...
  11. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I only saw the movie once so I could be misremembering this detail. But what I recall was that the shop owner had made it clear (maybe offscreen?) that Arthur had to bring back the sign or lose the job, and that the owner was not a nice/understanding employee. So if Arthur goes back emptyhanded...
  12. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I’m not sure it was supposed to be entertaining in the same way that I don’t think Taxi Driver is meant to be fun entertainment. The entertainment is meant to come from being told a compelling story in an interesting way, not necessarily from it being a pleasant experience to watch. A Clockwork...
  13. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    The part of the movie that sticks with me is the run-in he has with the Wall Street guys on the train. Those guys were bullies and it seems clear from the filmmaking choices that if Arthur wasn’t on the train, that they would have assaulted and raped that woman they were terrorizing. And when...
  14. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I wonder if that’s because the movie is effective at making this iteration of the Joker seem justified at lashing out (or at least, providing a credible explanation at how someone could go down that road) that it makes some people uncomfortable for that to exist without some kind of...
  15. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I personally think that all of the theorizing about where it fits into the Batman mythos kinda misses the point. I don’t think the filmmakers were thinking about how this tied into anything else. This is essentially a one-off comic book, and there have been plenty of those in the comic world...
  16. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    My friends are weird :D
  17. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    My wife and I basically have two friend circles: the group that went to film/tv school and the group that works in other businesses. Everyone that’s in the film group that had already seen those Scorsese films felt Joker was fine but that they had basically seen it all before. Everyone in the...
  18. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I don’t regret seeing Joker. It wasn’t entirely my cup of tea but I appreciated the effort.
  19. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I was never a fan of the one-shot variant Joker stories that this was clearly in the mold of, so I’m not sure why I thought I’d like the movie any better than I did. I think there are lots of ways to interpret and portray the Joker, but I tend to be drawn to characterizations that go light on...
  20. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Nicholson’s Joker... you mean the guy who begins life as a murderous psychopath, brutally murders a husband and wife in front of their small child, later on becomes the number two guy in the city’s organized crime underworld, and then after his transformation, taints millions of consumer...
  21. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I think I read 50 pounds somewhere but I can’t remember where. FWIW, I loathe the Frank Miller Dark Knight Returns comic. There’s a lot that I don’t like in it, but the biggest problem is so bad for me that I can’t salvage any of it, and it’s this: Superman can never, ever, be the bad guy...
  22. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I think what we think of as Hollywood - companies that create content to be enjoyed by the masses - will be fine. I think the delivery system of the future is up for grabs. But I don’t think the possible death of movie theaters is the end of scripted, prerecorded programming. But here’s the...
  23. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Probably more like, if you’re waiting in line talking to yourself and smell slightly funny, maybe you should go home. I had a very unnerving experience at an unrelated film early this year where the theater let in a clearly disturbed patron, and during the course of the film he kept escalating...
  24. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    But that’s perfectly fine. They made this film on a lower budget than a tentpole normally gets specifically so they could make a movie that didn’t have to appeal to as wide a crowd. Production budget was only $55 million and Warner got outside financing for about two thirds of that but with...
  25. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Absolutely!
  26. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    Maybe I’m giving too much credit to the movie and not enough to myself, but Guardians 2 helped me through a very difficult time in my life and I think I’m a better person for having had that movie in my life and available to me. And I’ve cried more times watching that movie that I have with all...
  27. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    There actually is a lot of the storytelling and human connection in the Marvel movies, the kind that Scorsese feels is absent. We live in larger than life times and superhero movies are a way to examine those times. They’re fun adventures but also use the decor of fantasy to show us a...
  28. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I see the Marvel films as being no different than the long running film series of the 30s and 40s. No one said westerns weren’t real movies then. They weren’t prestige drama pictures but they were clearly movies. If Scorsese wants to be dismissive of an entire genre because he doesn’t care for...
  29. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I feel like new records for October are going to be set for the next few years. Between Venom last year and Joker this year, studios will now likely begin releasing secondary comic themed films on this weekend, believing as they often do that the release date is what made the film a success.
  30. Josh Steinberg

    Joker (2019 Movie)

    I’d especially love to get some new westerns that are fun and have recurring characters, I guess similar to Marvel films in that way. There have been some great serious westerns coming out here and there in recent years, but not so much with the flat out fun.
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