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My last two have been refurbs from A4L. No issues, and they still have a warranty if you do run in to problems.

Yeah that's why I posed the A4L price - it was $50 higher than straight from Denon which struck me as odd. It seems A4L may be trying to get in on the lack of stock price increases.

Interesting on the pricing. I just checked A4L and they have the refurbs at $499.