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Dave, thanks for the extensive summary. What I think these issues tend to boil down to is, there are several universal ideals in setting the audio for an HT. Speakers should be voice matched and placed at fairly specific locations in the room, for example. For most people, fulfilling all...

The simplest way is to buy speakers from the same line. Beyond that, with a lot of work or luck, you can find mismatched Speakers that are similar enough to blend. It's easy to eliminate certain ones based on design. For example, if the speakers you want to match have silk dome tweeters, then...

Yeah. Both these points are HT 101. I don't know why they're even being argued. FWIW, I have found that perfect matching tends to be a little less important with the surrounds than it is with the front three. All identical speakers are probably ideal, but that's not always practical. You...

Now I see that post might have been misleading, but SVS is NOTHING like the company it started as. In fact, I think it started when Ron Stimpson and Tom Vodhanel crossed paths here on HTF. It was real people, starting up a company, designing subwoofers with exceptional value. I did their...

That page you linked is arguing that the placement they show is better then reflecting Atmos speakers, because how reflections come through is unpredictable. OK, that might be. It certainly will be more predictable. but Atmos speakers are supposed to be overhead, as in, not up and to the...

They won't impede your view of the screen. They'd be over your head, nowhere near sight line to the screen. It is sub optimal because Atmos speakers are supposed to be over your head, not high and to the sides.

Is there any reason you can't attach surround speakers like that to the ceiling, instead of the wall? I expect it can be done.

Whether or not you toe in your mains should have no effect on the ceiling speakers. If that's what you're asking and I didn't misunderstand.

Sounds right to me, but Sam can give personal experience. BTW, have you ever tried not toeing in your mains? Give it a try sometime. Aim them exactly in line with the front wall. It tends to open the soundstage, and with certain speakers the result can be very nice. Sometimes the soundstage...

"Bottom line; the mid range to higher frequencies are directional, and a good portion of the sound will go where you aim it." I think this might be where the problem comes from. Speakers don't work like flashlights. The sound they project isn't "focused" but disperses evenly at 90 degrees or...

I'm sorry Luke, but you don't seem to understand what Atmos speakers are supposed to do. They're for overhead sounds, not sounds up and to the sides. Yes, in-ceiling speakers always have been a bad idea for surround sound, until Atmos came along. They are exactly how Atmos is supposed to be...

By popcorn, I expect you mean heavily textured, and that IS for sound deadening. That's not going to work with those reflecting speakers.

What is the ceiling like in your HT? Which speakers did you try, and how did you calibrate them? I can actually install ceiling speakers without too much hassle. At least, a lot less hassle than most situations. I'm tempted, but the cost of going Atmos is just not something I want to do.

Matrixed front-height speakers are just an effort to synthesize some kind of extra ambience. It might be a "precursor" to Atmos, but pretending they are the same thing is like taking a 2 channel, Dolby Surround soundtrack, playing it back with DPLIIX+ (or whatever it is) and claiming it's the...

For a lot of people, I think the upward reflecting Atmos speakers that sit on top of your mains are probably the best option, not to mention infinitely easier to implement. There's been quite a bit written that they also tend to work better, since their sound is so much more diffuse.

Two radically different things, with completely different configurations and results.

The 608 doesn't have Atmos, so it's not capable of 5.1.2, which is an Atmos configuration. If you want an Atmos configuration, you HAVE to get a receiver (or pre-pro) that has Atmos.

That's not an option. It doesn't work that way. Your music in another room idea is what the zone 2 output is intended for.

David beat me to it. Yeah, your receiver can drive seven speakers. Period. There is no option for adding more using an external amp. So, it's 7.1 or 5.1.2. Period. No other options. I wonder if it's even worth going with Atmos until you upgrade to a more capable receiver. Between 7.1 and...

When you say "Amp", I'm guessing you mean a receiver. Are you certain it's capable of Atmos? Your questions make me suspect it might not be.