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i didn't know incredibles was michael G, but i dislike the same exact thing over and over again. horner and goldsmith has some of that on a few soundtracks. an example from goldsmith is timeline's score (not in theatrical film version but released oN SACD) sounds almost the same as star trek...

peter, alias was good in the first 3 years, but s4 throughs5 sucked. i've seen every single episode of alias straightup last spring from 1 through the series finale.:D. while alias was creative/original and generally well thought out ACTION TV series. in fact, i believe it is one of FIRST action...

it's official: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...cle/45415.html i can see it now. just as MI looked, sounded and felt like Lost and how Lost looked, sounded and felt like Alias, we're going to get the JJ vehicle's version of Star Trek. probably the michael G as the composer. more of...

have you guys watched Star Trek New Voyages? http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/800/home.php i've seen the 1st 2 eps. it's pretty good for 0 budget! i luv TOS. it's my fav out of all of the treks. it's got a lot of life in it.

bryan, i hadn't thought about that, that is correct =D. work the core first... then expand. non-trekkies who don't like trek will just never attend a showing anyway.

have you guys read the extended universe books? shatner/reeves/garfields written a 3 trilogies i think (or more). i read all of them except the last 2, captain's peril&captain's bl00d. while the last few haven't been as good as previous efforts, these books are really good! i luved prime...

reeves+garfields are working with shatner to publish books based on the academy days =D.

yeah, i was there, a bit fuzzy on the details... but i haven't missed a trek opening since... Star Trek Generations =). there was only 20 people (yesh i a geeky enough to count) in the theater and 3 walked out halfway through. =(. of course, the few weeks later when i saw The Two Towers, it was...

sam, do you have examples of how paramount chose to target the film towards non-trekkies market segment? i'm talking TV ads, posters, publicity stunts, etc. i'm not talking about production. just because you hire a director who has no knowledge of trek (and it shows during commentary and...

umm... targetting the movie towards non-trekkies does NOT mean their marketing campaign was targeted towards non-trekkies. i'm talking trailers, posters, etc. imho, they have done a very poor job targetting nontrekkies after the film has been made. secondly, they opened nemesis during Harry...

sam, examples of how that was done?

i wouldn't mind that cameo if it pulled in more non-trek audiences. imho, paramount really needs work on their marketing dept. STOP MARKETING TO TREKKIES! damnit if you sold the tix today they will have snatched it up. they should concentrate marketing to NON-trekkie. that's 1 great way to...

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/rumormill.html#082806 so... we'll have TOS in HD yet... hopefully they give us the original NON-altered versions. wtf is wrong with people these days? STOP THINKERING!!!!! star wars started it, now everyone wants to have different versions of everything...

using the same logic you applied to chekov&kahn, no one explicitly listed the order of capt. for Enterprise in the shows... so archer is still in the game. see, once a franchise has contradicted itself in a major way, there's no amount of fumbling you can use to massage it. wrong is wrong...

BRIAN, you forget that even TOS contradicts itself. in the 1st few eps, Spock smiles. it's inevitable to have contradictions, i don't think it's hugely important to follow canon. nearly every franchise has some contradictions. another example would be wrath of kahn. chekov never saw kahn...

fans are going to go watch it no matter what. they find out about everything anyway. i think they need to concern themselves with how to target non-trek fans. an easy example is trek 4. everyone knows about the whale movie. the message/environmental reached the end audience because of the...

apparently everyone else has forgotten about the mission, to explore NEW worlds and NEW civilizations.. to boldly go where NO ONE (or man) has gone before.

norm, ya can't get trek fans to agree on anything =). there's 2many of them!!! i think a nominal way to think about the franchise is that older audiences luv TOS and younger audiences who've actually watched most of TOS through (at least once) will appreciate it. younger (Gen X&Y) audience...

2008? hopefully they release it in summer. those winter releases killed them =).

sean, scroll back a few pages we were just talking about reeves-stevens novels =). since federation and prime directive, there's been 3 trilogies based on kirk's revival a sorta' "reboot". captain's glory is set to touch down in the book stores 8/22. anyway, the problem i have w/ it is as...

reboot has already happened: http://www.startrekreborn.net/viewpage.php?page_id=3 read the scripts. very interesting.

well, i think Berman did put a cap/limit on what Reeves-Stevens & Coto can do. otherwise, s4 of ENT would be even better than it is. they should've written the series finale instead of the... i won't even mention it for fear of a hanging on the gallows like one of those TOS western eps. i...

yeah, i've most of the kirk revival from reeves+stevens, Shatner. the first trilogy was truly out of this world. 2nd trilogy not so much, the 3rd, only read the 1st. the 2nd i have on reserve @library and the 3rd is coming out 8/22 =). that'll make 3 trilogies of Kirk's revival. i've read...

oops, forgot inflation. i stand corrected. meanwhile, critically TMP didn't fare as well as the latter movies. it's a buildup of fans, just like TPM of star wars. critically, not that good, but financially successful. wrath rectified that, but the 3-6 never really recapture wrath's glory...

yeah age doesn't matter. according that that TNG or DS9 should be "trek" of my gen. actually i love TOS above any other =).

didn't beat First Contact: http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek8.htm

it's not me that thinks that =). and by your logic, the reason why boston legal is popular is because people love TOS? hrmmmm... remember, 1. TOS's original ratings were nothing to write home about. hence, cancelled after 3 years. public was never that interested in the 1st place. all...

jason, but see that's the point. the general public (non-trekkies) doesn't really want another trek propterty based on kirk, spock, the "contuining mission", etc. they are sick+tired of it. i think if we revisited that... YET AGAIN... the ship (the franchise) will sink.

plus, in a western TV show like gunsmoke back then, they don't expect story "arcs" like modern audiences do. re: TOS's sense of adventure, i agree. that's why i said move it forward. the "reboot" should happen with everything totally original. mention somn about federation being destroyed due...

matt, in "The Chase" from Season 6, the concept has already been explored: from: http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...ode/68598.html