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You'd buy the 5800 or the 4802? Remember, the 4800 was tested by one of the magazines at 148 w/channel all channels driven at 20Hz-20kHz, so the amps were underrated at 125 watts. Whereas the 3801 was at 87w/ch for all seven channels and 92w/ch for for 5 of the seven.

Is the 4802 still a 5 amp receiver? I'd still think the 3802 with a 3 CH amp for L/C/R is a better buy than the 4800. But, I don't know the specs on the new 4802. And the Denon Aktis remote should be "optional". It is a waste of money as far as I'm concerned. Save the money and buy a Pronto...