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The main reason "G" died was because it became so closely attached to movies for little kids. Once G became uncool, studios tried to avoid it. They'd toss some gratuitous PG element into the movies just to ensure they'd not get stuck with G. Disney was popular enough to cope with it but even...

Of course, X wasn't intended to mean porn, either! :D BTW, PG-13 came as a reaction to "Gremlins" and "Temple of Doom" in 1984 - your post makes it sound like they invented it as the rating to be used for "Gremlins"...

Though not under the "Disney" name. While they did release "Black Hole" as a PG "Disney" movie in 1979 - and basically all animation for years has now been PG - the R movies were under Touchstone and other subsidiaries. Has there ever been a movie released explicitly under "Disney" that's R...

I think Jesse argues that if a movie has anything violent/scary/unsettling at all, it shouldn't be "G". Which basically means like 5 movies ever made could be "G"! :D

But scary is in the eye of the beholder. Basically you're arguing that a movie has to be completely inoffensive in every possible way to be "G", and that's essentially impossible. A story needs some form of dramatic tension to survive!

Just because something doesn't run on network TV doesn't make it "R". There's plenty of "PG-13" content that wouldn't fly on network TV...

Well, we'll never know, but I think the Quint scene is relatively mild. Just doesn't seem like enough to prompt an "R"!

I think some Gs got away with "innocent" nudity like a non-sexual shot of a butt, so the scene with the guy's ass didn't shock me. A topless female - an attractive one - like in "Andromeda"? That's still the shocker for me. The only rationale I see might've been that the topless woman was...

Nah - "Jaws" would be "PG-13" as is. Quint's death isn't that graphic!

To some degree, it depends on what you define as "the movie proper". End credits scenes with actual character information? Yeah, those are part of the movie, IMO - stuff like the MCU tidbits. Bloopers? More questionable - I see them as a bonus feature stuck in the running time more than part...

I'm not sure there's a compelling argument for its removal, but I do think it's an unusual case because it wasn't part of the original movie. Of course, it's not part of the story anyway - it's just part of the fake bloopers and a goofy bonus. Add to that the fact it didn't appear until a few...

Is this issue even getting any traction in the "real world"? I've not seen it pop up on Twitter or news sites, so I'm not sure if it's gonna be well-known enough to make the 20 skillion existing "TS2" DVDs/BDs "rare"!

I agree that the MPAA sways with the climate - still surprised a topless young woman appeared in a G movie in 1971! Maybe the movie still got a G because she was supposed to be dead, but still...! There's also the bare male butt and some semi-gruesome imagery...

I find it fascinating how the MPAA's "rules" have changed over time. I already mentioned that "Andromeda Strain" got a "G" despite a topless woman and a bare male butt, and then there's "Logan's Run", which was "PG" even though it bordered on full-frontal nudity! I think the MPAA was much less...

To be clear, my comments were 100% speculation - I didn't claim this clearly occurred. Just thought it was possible!

As much as I think this is Disney proactively tampering, I do wonder if they got a letter or 2 complaining about the scene in recent months. Still suspect they came to this decision without any outside influence, but it's possible a few customer comments set the ball a-rolling...

It's already linked in post 1 of this thread! And FWIW, I don't view the scene as "controversial" because virtually no one viewed it that way until Disney decided to drop it. This was self-created "controversy", not something grass roots. The controversy stems from the decision to delete it...

Yeah, I suspect that it wasn't just "MeToo" that prompted this. If "MeToo" remained outside of the Disney sphere, this scene probably remains intact. The Lasseter scandal makes it hit closer to home, however...

That's my thought, as no one would've given 2 craps if the scene stayed in the movie. It's been there for 20 years without any outrage of which I'm aware, and even in the current climate, I doubt there was gonna be an uproar. Disney brought way more attention to the scene this way - and maybe...

No kids get the joke anyway. It's there solely for the adults in the crowd. The notion Mark apparently advances that the scene will corrupt young minds boggles my mind! :eek:

I didn't say you were attempting to veer in that direction, but you are, nonetheless. You're outraged by this scene now but I'm betting you thought nothing of it in terms of offensiveness 20 years ago. I recall no public outrage about Stinky Pete then - or now, really. Which is part of the...

I don't think Disney would've altered "Andromeda Strain" - there's nothing controversial about the nudity I mention. I brought it up as an indicator of how ratings changed. It boggles my mind that a movie with a topless woman - and also a bare male butt - got a "G"! One could view the rating...

Really? I never knew of farts as being "automatic PG". Crap, I watched "Andromeda Strain" a while back - it has a hot topless woman and is G!

The children who've seen that scene for 20 years are more socially conscious and "woke" than any prior generation. Shocking to realize, but a joke about Stinky Pete hitting on women didn't corrupt their little minds! Even if the scene was as awful as you apparently believe, it exists and is...

There's 2 kinds of "defense", IMO: 1) "It's their film and they can do what they want. I disagree but it's their right." 2) "Who cares, ya big crybaby?" I agree with the first but not the 2nd! :)

Who "defended" the alteration of films?

I don't think the scene stood out as "objectionable" until the Weinstein stuff hit. Because the 4K offers the first release of "TS2" since the MeToo era began, it's the one that got the cut...