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1984 called and asked for you to give back its joke. ;) :D

But we have gotten campy/comedic Batman efforts - just not live-action movies. Crud, they even made 2 animated films with West back as Batman!

Of course they were. I mean criminy - you think the Batsuit with Batnipples was supposed to be taken seriously? While audiences liked the darkness of "Batman" 1989, many thought Burton went too far with the dank and disgusting elements of "Returns". Schumacher was charged with staying linked...

I think "The Batman" is less a response to MCU and more just what people now expect of Batman. The DCEU started out Grim 'n' Grimy with "Man of Steel" but they've tried to back away from that. Stuff like "Wonder Woman", "Aquaman" and "Shazam" felt lighter. As I've expounded, fans simply...

It's a mistake to act like there's "one right Batman". While the character has generally been on the darker side of the street, as has been noted, the comics went kid-friendly and silly in the 50s/60s - initially due to the crackdown on comics that led to the "Comics Code Authority", then...

Wait - you found "Se7en" uplifting? :oops:

FWIW, I grew up with the Adam West Batman as a kid, too. I wasn't alive when it ran first run but it was big in syndication during my childhood and I loved it. And I don't hate the 60s Batman now, either. I've not seen the TV show in decades, but I've watched the movie a couple times and enjoy...

Again, that doesn't mean it needs to be "fun". I dunno - maybe we have different ideas of "fun", but to me, that term connotes light, frisky fare with lots of light comedy and broad heroics. I don't want a "fun" Batman. Dude's a mentally damaged obsessive who subjects himself to massive...

You seem to forget that the 1989 "Batman" was viewed as exceedingly dark back then. Maybe it seems less so because of the Nolan flicks and "The Batman", but Burton's movie was seen as the antithesis of the Adam West shenanigans. I guess you class all superhero flicks in the same vein and think...

Why does a Batman movie need to be "fun"?

Sure, might as well rip off "Lambs" since the movie already overtly steals from "Seven"!

I think

Yup! And also Catwoman's head in a box! :laugh:

I can't believe no one has mentioned how much this movie owes to "Seven". It feels like a remake at times! No, not literally, but man, the whole Riddler arc is awfully similar to John Doe's!

Looks interesting to me, though it could really go either way. The trailer doesn't inspire goosebumps in me but it shows potential!

I wasn't arguing against your points - just saying that for some, the feeling that Penguin is an oft-used character may stem from "Gotham", whether justly or not. Honestly, I think the reason this perception exists among many of us comes from our disbelief that "Batman Returns" was 27 years...

"Gotham" may add to the "those characters again?" issue as well! :)

To be fair, Batman is a pretty new character so it's not like there are 1000s of stories that could be adapted! ;)

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the comments to which I referred meant they wanted a Batman story absent of any personal angst. I'm fine to get a Batman movie without a retelling of the origin or flashbacks, but I still think his angst should be part of it...

Given that "massive personal angst" created Batman, it seems like a core topic...