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Yep, I can see that a "dark" ST would no longer be a ST. And there would be little audience. After all these years I had not realized how safe and comforting ST was . . . And no question why ST-IV was the most popular. Bhagi; I think your movie is "Star Troopers."

Hey, thanks Sam. Can you be more specific about episodes and seasons? I can get individual disks from Netflix and see if I like it. I love that latin title too.

Good point Rex and you may be right about ST being about comfort because I was feeling rebellious about the comfort level of the recent shows and movies. I was trying to say that science fiction offers the ability to build a scenario with no inherent restrictions on morality, technology or...

Sam: sorry I didn't see that. I gave up on DS9 early. It seems there are two (or more) types of ST shows and movies: adventure and morality. This discussion has gotten me thinking about what made good ST and what didn't. Some of my favorite TOS were the political shows because they were...

And the allusions of TOS were subtle? I will never forget the racist two-sided colored men. At that time it was shocking. I still think a dark future ST would be interesting. A real break seems necessary to flagging interest.

Plot suggestion for new series of movies (and new direction for ST): ( Note: There is precedence in the TOS episodes where a ship captain makes over a planet along Roman lines; a ship captain makes over a planet along Nazi lines; Kirk splits into two characters where one is a warrior-captain...