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*** Official KING KONG Discussion Thread


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#1 of 786 Chuck Mayer

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Posted December 13 2005 - 06:11 AM

James B. The rating is high, but the words seem to rate it a little higher than that Posted Image

He has a lot of love for the older versions as well, which possibly informed his review.

I definitely have to whiz at the long ones, but I never leave my seat during a PJ 3 hour monster. I've learned to quit drinking at the 10 PM point, and take said whiz at 11:55 PM. I can't stand missing anything.

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#2 of 786 TheBat

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Posted December 13 2005 - 06:21 AM

I never had a problem with the length of king kong.. it followed like the original movie.. however
the ending was a bit overlong.

other then that.. it was fine.

many people waited an hour for batman to show up (in begins) .. and I felt that this movie moved much faster then that.

I am not sure how women will react to it.. the audience that I saw it cheered during certain actions scenes.. there were certain jurrasic park scenes where you say "OH shit".. suspense.

I think mr jackson has perhaps challeged steven speilberg in the JP susense type of stuff..

is it better then lotr? its a differnt animal.. its better then the original movie.. this version fixed the problem that I had with the original..

I think women will like the adventure that noami watts has in this movie.. noami is the hero.. you care about her and her friendship with kong. which was not in the original movie..
yes, she is the damsel in distress, but also a strong woman character..

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I do want to watch it again, to catch the stuff that I had missed the first time around.

#3 of 786 PeterTHX

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Posted December 13 2005 - 07:40 AM

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yes, she is the damsel in distress, but also a strong woman character


Which is more a product of the times than a "weakness" of the film. Much like the special effects, attitudes towards female characters have evolved by leaps and bounds.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 08:12 AM

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I was angry when Howard Shore's score was replaced

Can someone please fill kme in on this. What happened?
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Posted December 13 2005 - 08:17 AM

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Can someone please fill kme in on this. What happened?


Not much to it. Jackson didn't like what Shore had composed for the film, talked to him about it, and they both agreed to let someone else score the picture.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 08:17 AM

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Which is more a product of the times than a "weakness" of the film. Much like the special effects, attitudes towards female characters have evolved by leaps and bounds.


I just watched the original yesterday and there are lines like "women just can't help being in the way", "do you think I want a woman involved, but the public, bless 'em, have to have a pretty face."

I did some guessing there for the actual lines. And then there's Ann Darrow's most repeated line, a big loud scream. And, jeez, does she faint a lot.

Times have changed. Two of my favorite films, Alien and Aliens have a kick butt female hero. It would seem to me to be a bigger challange for modern film, which is a period piece from the 30's, to have a modern female character.
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Posted December 13 2005 - 11:08 AM

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Can someone please fill kme in on this. What happened?
How's life under the rock? Posted Image

James Newton Howard scored it. Howard and PJ had creative differences, but they parted on friendly terms apparently.


#8 of 786 Larry Sutliff

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Posted December 13 2005 - 11:23 AM

In fairness to the original film, I think lots of women and men would do nothing but scream their bloody head off if a monster the size of Kong scooped them up, carried them into a deep jungle filled with dinosaurs, climbed up the Empire State Building with them, etc. Not everyone can make friends with a 50 foot gorilla.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 11:51 AM

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Two of my favorite films, Alien and Aliens have a kick butt female hero.


For "Alien" in 1979 to have Ripley be smart, resourceful, and survive was considered somewhat new and refreshing. For Sigourney Weaver to *lead* an action picture like "Aliens" was somewhat uncharted territory.

So, when put into perspective, "King Kong" 1933 isn't weak in that way.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:09 PM

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"The question is not: 'Will it be big?' The question is: 'how big it will be?'," he said. "It is poised to be the highest grossing picture of December."

At a cost of more than $200 million to make and tens of millions more to market, Universal needs "King Kong" to play big in order to make a profit.

So far Jackson's remake of the 1933 classic about a giant ape plucked from a mysterious island and transported back to the United States has a lot of factors working in its favor.

The movie has been widely anticipated and Jackson has a stellar reputation and huge fan base from the three "Rings" movies, which have raked in more than $2.6 billion combined.

Moreover, critics have raved about "Kong." Kirk Honeycutt, reviewer for show business newspaper The Hollywood Reporter, called it "spectacle filmmaking at its best."


'Kong' sets sight on box office throne

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:11 PM

Kong is down to 85% on the Tomatometer Posted Image Yeah, I know that's still an excellent score, but I was hoping it would stay above 90. The only constant among the negatives (and the main complaint they all have) is that it's too long and self indulgent. From what I've read about the movie, I don't think that the movie's length will bother me.

Can't wait to see it... won't be able to see in Wednesday since we're flying to Maui and will probably be too tired to go, but I've already found a good theater there to see it Thursday evening.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:17 PM

I expected that, to be honest. I love PJ's bravua directing style and camera work, and many other people do too, but that style doesn't work for everyone. So while it will get some 4 star reviews (Ebert, Rolling Stone), it will also get bad reviews as well.

#13 of 786 Chris Atkins

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:17 PM

Same thing happened to ROTS on RT. Unless it's a perfect film, it's almost impossible to keep your score high at this point. You need 9-10 positive reviews for every negative review coming in just to maintain your high score.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:17 PM

The official James Newton-Howard website has an expanded take (actually from a Variety article) on the KK score situation. Basically, when the film began running late (and long), it just didn't give Shore (who, unlike many composers, orchestrates AND conducts his scores himself) enough time to finish.

Worth reading.

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* It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.

* No good movie is too long, and no bad movie is short enough.

* No good movie is depressing, all bad movies are depressing.


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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:51 PM

Interesting story Craig, so Howard Shore has a cameo appearance in the film, conducting the orchestra during Kong's New York theater appearance, but didn't get to score the movie, whoa!

Did Shore win an Oscar for all 3 Rings films? I'm almost sure Two Towers wasn't nominated for Best Score.

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#16 of 786 Chuck Mayer

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Posted December 13 2005 - 12:54 PM

TTT wasn't nominated for some arcane Oscar rule, similar to the one that prevented my beloved Come What May (Moulin Rouge) from being up for Best Original Song. They ignored that a year later and ROTK won...rightly so.

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Posted December 13 2005 - 01:00 PM

The only constant among the negatives (and the main complaint they all have) is that it's too long and self indulgent

I think that is a cop out for people who just want to say something negative about it. This is a product of the MTV generation whos attention spands are shorter these days. I would hate to see what would happen if a movie like Gone With The Wind was released today. If a movie is over 2 1/2 hours people begin to complain. Just relax and be swept away for a few hours, it is not going to kill you. Kong is not too long, people attention spands are too short. Of course Kong could be shorter, the original was only 90 minutes so we no the story can be told quicker. The movie is great, the length was perfect. (none of this is directed at Brain who I quoted above just a general rant)

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Posted December 13 2005 - 01:28 PM

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This is a product of the MTV generation whos attention spands are shorter these days.
Yeah, it's not like the MTV generation made the 3 x 3+ hours LOTR epics from the same director into the smash hits they became or anything.

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#19 of 786 Mark Schmitt

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Posted December 13 2005 - 02:13 PM

I saw King Kong last week and I am sure that this is a movie that can cross over to males and females. The girl I went with cried during it. That's all I need for evidence.

Coming up on midnight now. Have fun seeing it! I know that after reading your comments you guys (and gals) are gonna like it.
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Posted December 13 2005 - 03:37 PM

CNN.com has also posted their rave review. Some excerpts:

(CNN) -- What do you do after creating the multiple Academy Award winning "The Lord of the Rings," arguably the greatest film trilogy of all time? Well, if you're Peter Jackson you immediately jump behind the camera and direct "King Kong," a film that became a classic when it stunned audiences back in 1933.

Then you pack this iconic remake with heart-wrenching humanity, mind-blowing special effects and fill it full of indelible images, and do it all so well that it's destined to also become an instant classic.

In a word, Jackson's "King Kong," is spectacular, awesome, phenomenal and breathtaking. OK, so I can't boil it down to one word.

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Usually when I'm told that a film is three or more hours long, it already has two strikes against it. But my eyes never left the screen while the entire three hours and seven minutes flashed by.

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If the "Rings" trilogy didn't convince you, everyone will now have to admit that Jackson is one of the most creative men to ever sit in a director's chair.

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